From: Dragos Tatulea <dtatulea@nvidia.com>
To: Luigi Rizzo <lrizzo@google.com>, Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
Cc: Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
Willem de Bruijn <willemb@google.com>,
Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@google.com>,
"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
Luigi Rizzo <rizzo.unipi@gmail.com>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
iommu@lists.linux.dev, driver-core@lists.linux.dev,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] swiotlb/mm: Implement SWIOTLB nocopy page allocator
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2026 19:38:05 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <472d9fe1-0044-4e47-af5f-cb03618d77b0@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMOZA0JstwiwoWFuFjpoC1W12ir2b=SrWPO9i9tto1rOksKGgQ@mail.gmail.com>
On 24.08.26 18:30, Luigi Rizzo wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2026 at 6:06 PM Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 2026-08-24 4:29 pm, Luigi Rizzo wrote:
>>> Introduce swiotlb_alloc_pages() and swiotlb_free_pages() to allocate
>>> and release compound pages directly from the default SWIOTLB pool.
>>
>> Huh? The sole intended purpose of SWIOTLB is for bounce-buffering data
>> which already exists in some other memory that is unsuitable for DMA for
>> whatever reason. If you want to allocate directly from some kind of
>> pre-shared DMA page pool to avoid bounce-buffering, set up some kind of
>> pre-shared DMA page pool and allocate from that in a manner which can
>> avoid bouncing entirely (see DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED). The idea of getting as
>> far as calling swiotlb_bounce() to then have a special case saying "haha
>> not really" seems entirely absurd. Don't hack stuff into the SWIOTLB
>> code which has no business being there.
>
> Ah I see DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED did not exist when I implemented the
> swiotlb allocator. Cool, one less piece, it should be possible to replace
> this chunk witth the DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED.
>
I agree with Robin's point (if I understood it correctly):
Why should it at all pass through the SWIOTLB? Why can't it be a standalone
DMA pool?
> The other pieces are still relevant though ?
>
> - use these dma-able pages for page pool allocations (small)
> - [PATCH v2 3/5] net/swiotlb: Track bounce device per socket
> or one would have to unconditionally allocate from that pool,
> even for e.g. local sockets
> - divert socket allocations for eligible sockets to a DMA-able pool
>
Thanks,
Dragos
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-24 17:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-06-15 23:42 [PATCH] swiotlb: avoid double copy with swiotlb on tx socket Luigi Rizzo
2026-06-16 0:25 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-16 0:33 ` Luigi Rizzo
2026-06-16 11:06 ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-08-24 8:59 ` Dragos Tatulea
2026-08-24 15:32 ` Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-24 17:39 ` Dragos Tatulea
2026-06-16 4:17 ` Eric Dumazet
2026-06-16 5:31 ` kernel test robot
2026-06-16 8:01 ` kernel test robot
2026-06-16 8:36 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-16 9:20 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-06-16 9:48 ` Luigi Rizzo
2026-06-16 10:28 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-06-16 11:21 ` kernel test robot
2026-08-24 15:29 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] swiotlb: avoid swiotlb copy on network sockets Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-24 15:29 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] swiotlb: enforce pool nareas and nslabs invariants Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-24 15:29 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] swiotlb/mm: Implement SWIOTLB nocopy page allocator Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-24 16:05 ` Robin Murphy
2026-08-24 16:30 ` Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-24 17:38 ` Dragos Tatulea [this message]
2026-08-24 15:29 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] net/swiotlb: Track bounce device per socket Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-24 15:29 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] net: Divert socket allocations to SWIOTLB for nocopy TX Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-24 16:32 ` Randy Dunlap
2026-08-24 15:29 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] swiotlb: Implement RX nocopy with fast recycling eviction Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-24 17:38 ` Dragos Tatulea
2026-08-24 17:37 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] swiotlb: avoid swiotlb copy on network sockets Dragos Tatulea
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