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(2001-1c00-0c1e-bf00-d69d-5353-dba5-ee81.cable.dynamic.v6.ziggo.nl. [2001:1c00:c1e:bf00:d69d:5353:dba5:ee81]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id oq4-20020a170906cc8400b0078b1ff41f05sm5053016ejb.43.2022.10.05.02.57.19 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 05 Oct 2022 02:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <477635db-c89b-cfd3-cd26-fea51bb094a5@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2022 11:57:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.2.1 Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" Content-Language: en-US, nl To: Thorsten Leemhuis , Konstantin Ryabitsev Cc: "Artem S. Tashkinov" , ksummit , workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML , Greg KH , Linus Torvalds , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" References: <20221004175354.bfvg3vhfqch35ib5@meerkat.local> <20221004202540.etokkm3jk6sk7z7y@meerkat.local> <89926f21-e172-9f3d-d08f-8d5eef812ee1@leemhuis.info> From: Hans de Goede In-Reply-To: <89926f21-e172-9f3d-d08f-8d5eef812ee1@leemhuis.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi, On 10/5/22 11:00, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > On 04.10.22 22:25, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 04, 2022 at 10:06:28PM +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >>> Your plan would afaics mean that we invest further into a software >>> abandoned by its upstream and already becoming more and more of a >>> maintenance burden. That investment would also further increase our >>> dependency on that software by establishing workflows that rely on it. >>> Is that really wise at this point? Wouldn't it be better to spend that >>> time and effort to build something better that is more future proof? >> >> Unfortunately, there's no such thing. ;) And maybe we'll even help tip the >> course of history into the other direction -- Red Hat uses bugzilla, and so >> does OpenSuse, so there's a pretty good core of well-funded companies that >> would be in a position to help keep bugzilla going if it's looking like the >> platform is still alive. Or that could all be wishful thinking and they'll all >> migrate to Jira or something equally horrible, who knows. > > Well, Red Hat apparently is already in the process of migrating to Jira > in the long run: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/U7TZRWXVUGBCHS6EBJIBSFAVPFUHHV7J/ > > To quote that mail from March: > > ``` > As some of you may know, Red Hat has been using both Bugzilla and Jira > via issues.redhat.com for RHEL development for several years. Our > intention is to move to using issues.redhat.com only for the major > RHEL releases after RHEL 9. > ``` That is for RHEL only though I'm not sure what the plans for Fedora are. Also I do believe that the Red Hat bugzilla team is working on porting bugzilla to postgresql, which would at least fix the problem of depending on a no longer maintained mysql version. If the postgresql port is something of interest to keep bugzilla.kernel.org going for now, then it is probably best to just directly contact the bugzilla maintainers @redhat. Regards, Hans