From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753864AbYEaTyU (ORCPT ); Sat, 31 May 2008 15:54:20 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1755441AbYEaTyA (ORCPT ); Sat, 31 May 2008 15:54:00 -0400 Received: from einhorn.in-berlin.de ([192.109.42.8]:48958 "EHLO einhorn.in-berlin.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755412AbYEaTxi (ORCPT ); Sat, 31 May 2008 15:53:38 -0400 X-Envelope-From: stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de Message-ID: <4841ACAB.5020103@s5r6.in-berlin.de> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 21:53:15 +0200 From: Stefan Richter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.13) Gecko/20080419 SeaMonkey/1.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Grant Grundler CC: Greg KH , "Luck, Tony" , ksummit-2008-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel , Pekka Enberg , David Woodhouse Subject: Re: How many contributors are we losing References: <20080528225136.GA29014@kroah.com> <1FE6DD409037234FAB833C420AA843EC016FFF69@orsmsx424.amr.corp.intel.com> <20080529003657.GA17505@kroah.com> <20080529010055.GA31952@redhat.com> <20080529022632.GB5180@kroah.com> <1FE6DD409037234FAB833C420AA843EC017405EB@orsmsx424.amr.corp.intel.com> <20080530204700.GA3807@kroah.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Grant Grundler wrote: > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Greg KH wrote: >> And I think that shows we are easy to get a >> change into our tree from just about anyone, not that we are driving >> people away. > > I still don't buy this. I've been contributing to linux kernel since about > 1999 and it's definitely not getting easier. The size of SubmittingPatches > is one indicator of how much work it is to submit a patch. > SubmittingPatches is now 600 lines (3400+ words). This growth of SubmittingPatches and related documents also partly means that we now have - more tools available for QA before posting, - more documentation on these tools, - more comprehensive documentation on the workflows. To some degree, this should make contributions easier rather than harder. It may of course also mean that some expectations are higher now, as you are saying AFAIU. However, with scarce reviewer base (and scarce early testers base, compared to the whole userbase), it's not a bad thing for the project health if patches, when first posted, already have a good level of quality. We want many good contributions, not just many contributions. Of course if there were many reviewers and many mentors, than we could do with lower initial quality of submissions. -- Stefan Richter -=====-==--- -=-= ===== http://arcgraph.de/sr/