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From: Andrea Righi <righi.andrea@gmail.com>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Michael Rubin <mrubin@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	dradford@bluehost.com, m.innocenti@cineca.it,
	fernando@oss.ntt.co.jp, containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, chlunde@ping.uio.no,
	dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com, dpshah@google.com, agk@sourceware.org,
	matt@bluehost.com, menage@google.com, eric.rannaud@gmail.com,
	balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH -mm 0/2] memcg: per cgroup dirty_ratio
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:35:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48EB3B58.9010106@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080924024437.DC21.KOSAKI.MOTOHIRO@jp.fujitsu.com>

KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
>> Currently the problem we are hitting is that we cannot specify pdflush
>> to have background limits less than 1% of memory. I am currently
>> finishing up a patch right now that adds a dirty_ratio_millis
>> interface.  I hope to submit the patch to LKML by the end of the week.
>>
>> The idea is that we don't want to break backwards compatibility and we
>> also don't want to have two conflicting knobs in the sysctl or
>> /proc/sys/vm/ space. I thought adding a new knob for those who want to
>> specify finer grained functionality was a compromise. So the patch has
>> a vm_dirty_ratio and a vm_dirty_ratio_millis interface. The first to
>> specify 0-100% and the second to specify .0 to .999%.
>>
>> So to represent 0.125% of RAM we set
>> vm_dirty_ratio = 0
>> vm_dirty_ratio_millis = 125
>>
>> The same for the background_ratio.
> 
> Why vm_dirty_ratio = 0.125 is wrong?
> it is hardly for parser maker, but it have nicer user experience.
> 
>> I would also prefer using a bytes interface but I am not sure how to
>> offer that without  either removing the legacy interface of the ratios
>> or by offering a concurrent interface that might be confusing such as
>> when users are looking at the old one and not aware of a new one.
>>
>> Any feedback?
> 
> Sure.
> We don't have any motivation of its interface change.

The more I think about this and the more I would prefer to have an
interface in KB (or pages) that automatically adjusts the old int percentage
in dirty_ratio (the same for dirty_background_ratio).

The parser issue for writing decimal values doesn't seem to be a big
problem, but if the user expects to read an int from vm_dirty_ratio and
instead receives something like 0.125, well... this could break
something. So, IMHO also in this way we're changing the kernel-userspace
interface.

-Andrea

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-10-07 10:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-12 15:09 Andrea Righi
2008-09-12 20:18 ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-12 23:04   ` Andrea Righi
2008-09-12 23:10     ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-22 22:26       ` Michael Rubin
2008-09-22 23:41   ` Michael Rubin
2008-09-23 12:50     ` Andrea Righi
2008-09-23 17:48     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-09-23 20:21       ` Michael Rubin
2008-09-24  6:59         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-10-07 10:35       ` Andrea Righi [this message]
2008-10-07 11:04     ` Balbir Singh
2008-10-07 15:49       ` Andrea Righi
2008-10-08  1:16         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-10-08 13:13           ` Balbir Singh
2008-10-09 15:29             ` [PATCH -mm] page-writeback: fine-grained dirty_ratio and dirty_background_ratio Andrea Righi
2008-10-10  0:41               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-10-10  9:32                 ` Andrea Righi
2008-10-10 13:13                   ` Andrea Righi
2008-11-10 20:58               ` [PATCH -mm] mm: fine-grained dirty_ratio_pcm and dirty_background_ratio_pcm (v2) Andrea Righi
2008-11-10 21:12                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-10 22:03                   ` Andrea Righi
2008-11-10 22:12                     ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-10 22:15                     ` David Rientjes

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