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From: Jon Hunter <jon-hunter@ti.com>
To: john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Dynamic Tick: Allow 32-bit machines to sleep for more than 2.15 seconds
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:20:20 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49EE54B4.9020700@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1240345936.6080.6.camel@localhost>


john stultz wrote:
> The concern is many clocksources wrap after a handful of seconds. The
> acpi_pm is the best example (its only 24 bits wide). 
> 
> I brought this issue up earlier, and provided some example code that
> could be used to limit the idle time appropriately for the current
> clocksource here:
> 
> http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0901.3/02693.html
> 
> Jon: Did you see that mail, or is there a reason you didn't adapt this
> code into your patch? 

Hi John, yes I did read this email and thanks for bringing this up.

As I looked at this more I noticed that for 64-bit machines that the 
max_delta_ns would be a 64-bit integer already and so this change would 
only have an impact for 32-bit machines. I understand that there are 
more 32-bit machines that 64-bit. However, I was trying to understand 
how the wrapping of clocksources, such as the one you mention above, is 
handled today for 64-bit machines that could theoretically sleep for 
longer periods.

In addition to this as I was reviewing the "tick_nohz_stop_sched_tick()" 
function that is configuring the dynamic tick and I noticed that this 
code would actually stop the timer altogether if the time for the next 
timer event is greater than NEXT_TIMER_MAX_DELTA jiffies. See code 
snippet below. This is very unlikely, however, if this scenario was to 
occur what would be the impact on the clocksource?

           /*
           * delta_jiffies >= NEXT_TIMER_MAX_DELTA signals that
           * there is no timer pending or at least extremly far 

           * into the future (12 days for HZ=1000). In this case
           * we simply stop the tick timer:
           */
           if (unlikely(delta_jiffies >= NEXT_TIMER_MAX_DELTA)) {
                   ts->idle_expires.tv64 = KTIME_MAX;
                   if (ts->nohz_mode == NOHZ_MODE_HIGHRES)
                           hrtimer_cancel(&ts->sched_timer);
                   goto out;
           }

I understand that clocksources need to be handled correctly, but as I 
looked into this more I wanted to clarify how this is handled today for 
64-bit machines. I appreciate your comments and feedback.

Cheers
Jon

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-21 23:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-20 21:16 Jon Hunter
2009-04-21  6:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21 20:32   ` john stultz
2009-04-21 23:20     ` Jon Hunter [this message]
2009-04-22  0:02       ` john stultz
2009-05-07 14:52         ` Jon Hunter
2009-05-08  0:54           ` [RFC][PATCH] Dynamic Tick: Allow 32-bit machines to sleep formore " john stultz
2009-05-08 16:05             ` Jon Hunter
2009-05-09  0:51               ` [RFC][PATCH] Dynamic Tick: Allow 32-bit machines to sleep formorethan " john stultz
2009-05-12 23:35                 ` Jon Hunter
2009-05-12 23:58                   ` [RFC][PATCH] Dynamic Tick: Allow 32-bit machines to sleep formorethan2.15 seconds john stultz
2009-05-13 15:14                     ` Jon Hunter
2009-05-13 16:41                       ` John Stultz
2009-05-13 17:54                         ` Jon Hunter
2009-05-13 19:21                           ` John Stultz
2009-05-15 16:35                             ` Jon Hunter
2009-05-15 18:55                               ` Jon Hunter
2009-05-16  1:29                                 ` John Stultz
2009-05-16  1:18                               ` John Stultz
2009-05-22 18:21                                 ` Jon Hunter
2009-05-22 19:23                                   ` john stultz
2009-05-22 19:54                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-26 15:12                                       ` Jon Hunter
2009-05-26 20:26                                         ` john stultz
2009-05-22 19:59                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-04-22  0:05       ` [RFC][PATCH] Dynamic Tick: Allow 32-bit machines to sleep for more than 2.15 seconds john stultz
2009-04-22  3:07         ` Jon Hunter
2009-04-22 15:30           ` Chris Friesen
2009-04-22 17:04             ` Jon Hunter
2009-04-22 18:53               ` Geert Uytterhoeven

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