From: "Gregory Haskins" <ghaskins@novell.com>
To: "Avi Kivity" <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: <alacrityvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>, <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] AlacrityVM guest drivers Reply-To:
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:06:18 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A7AAB1A0200005A00051BED@sinclair.provo.novell.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A7AE150.7040009@redhat.com>
>>> On 8/6/2009 at 9:57 AM, in message <4A7AE150.7040009@redhat.com>, Avi Kivity
<avi@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 08/06/2009 04:45 PM, Gregory Haskins wrote:
>>
>>> (though still rooting for virtio).
>>>
>>
>> Heh...not to belabor the point to death, but virtio is orthogonal (you keep
> forgetting that ;).
>>
>> Its really the vbus device-model vs the qemu device-model (and possibly vs the
> "in-kernel pci emulation" model that I believe Michael is working on).
>>
>> You can run virtio on any of those three.
>>
>
> It's not orthogonal. virtio is one set of ABI+guest drivers+host
> support to get networking on kvm guests. AlacrityVM's vbus-based
> drivers are another set of ABI+guest drivers+host support to get
> networking on kvm guests. That makes them competitors (two different
> ways to do one thing), not orthogonal.
Thats not accurate, though.
The virtio stack is modular. For instance, with virtio-net, you have
(guest-side)
|--------------------------
| virtio-net
|--------------------------
| virtio-ring
|--------------------------
| virtio-bus
|--------------------------
| virtio-pci
|--------------------------
|
(pci)
|
|--------------------------
| kvm.ko
|--------------------------
| qemu
|--------------------------
| tun-tap
|--------------------------
| netif
|--------------------------
(host-side)
We can exchange out the "virtio-pci" module like this:
(guest-side)
|--------------------------
| virtio-net
|--------------------------
| virtio-ring
|--------------------------
| virtio-bus
|--------------------------
| virtio-vbus
|--------------------------
| vbus-proxy
|--------------------------
| vbus-connector
|--------------------------
|
(vbus)
|
|--------------------------
| kvm.ko
|--------------------------
| vbus-connector
|--------------------------
| vbus
|--------------------------
| virtio-net-tap (vbus model)
|--------------------------
| netif
|--------------------------
(host-side)
So virtio-net runs unmodified. What is "competing" here is "virtio-pci" vs "virtio-vbus". Also, venet vs virtio-net are technically competing. But to say "virtio vs vbus" is inaccurate, IMO.
HTH
-Greg
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-08-06 14:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-08-03 17:17 [PATCH 0/7] AlacrityVM guest drivers Gregory Haskins
2009-08-03 17:17 ` [PATCH 1/7] shm-signal: shared-memory signals Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 13:56 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-06 15:11 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 20:51 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-03 17:17 ` [PATCH 2/7] ioq: Add basic definitions for a shared-memory, lockless queue Gregory Haskins
2009-08-03 17:17 ` [PATCH 3/7] vbus: add a "vbus-proxy" bus model for vbus_driver objects Gregory Haskins
2009-08-03 17:17 ` [PATCH 4/7] vbus-proxy: add a pci-to-vbus bridge Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 14:42 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-06 15:59 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 17:03 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-06 21:04 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 22:57 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-07 4:42 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-07 14:57 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-07 15:44 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-07 15:55 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-07 18:25 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-03 17:17 ` [PATCH 5/7] ioq: add driver-side vbus helpers Gregory Haskins
2009-08-03 17:18 ` [PATCH 6/7] net: Add vbus_enet driver Gregory Haskins
2009-08-03 18:30 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-08-03 20:10 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-03 20:19 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-08-03 20:24 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-03 20:29 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-08-04 1:14 ` [PATCH v2] " Gregory Haskins
2009-08-04 2:38 ` David Miller
2009-08-04 13:57 ` [Alacrityvm-devel] " Gregory Haskins
2009-10-02 15:33 ` [PATCH v3] " Gregory Haskins
2009-08-03 17:18 ` [PATCH 7/7] venet: add scatter-gather/GSO support Gregory Haskins
2009-08-03 18:32 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-08-03 19:30 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-03 18:33 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-08-03 19:57 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 8:19 ` [PATCH 0/7] AlacrityVM guest drivers Reply-To: Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-06 10:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-06 12:09 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 12:08 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 12:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-06 13:00 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 12:54 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 13:03 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 13:44 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 13:45 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 13:57 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 14:06 ` Gregory Haskins [this message]
2009-08-06 15:40 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-06 15:45 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-06 15:50 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 16:55 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-09 7:48 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 16:29 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 23:23 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-06 13:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-06 14:07 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-07 14:19 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-07 15:05 ` [PATCH 0/7] AlacrityVM guest drivers Gregory Haskins
2009-08-07 15:46 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-07 18:04 ` Gregory Haskins
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