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From: "Gregory Haskins" <ghaskins@novell.com>
To: "Avi Kivity" <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: <alacrityvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>, <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] AlacrityVM guest drivers Reply-To:
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:06:18 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A7AAB1A0200005A00051BED@sinclair.provo.novell.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A7AE150.7040009@redhat.com>

>>> On 8/6/2009 at  9:57 AM, in message <4A7AE150.7040009@redhat.com>, Avi Kivity
<avi@redhat.com> wrote: 
> On 08/06/2009 04:45 PM, Gregory Haskins wrote:
>>
>>> (though still rooting for virtio).
>>>      
>>
>> Heh...not to belabor the point to death, but virtio is orthogonal (you keep 
> forgetting that ;).
>>
>> Its really the vbus device-model vs the qemu device-model (and possibly vs the 
> "in-kernel pci emulation" model that I believe Michael is working on).
>>
>> You can run virtio on any of those three.
>>    
> 
> It's not orthogonal.  virtio is one set of ABI+guest drivers+host 
> support to get networking on kvm guests.  AlacrityVM's vbus-based 
> drivers are another set of ABI+guest drivers+host support to get 
> networking on kvm guests.  That makes them competitors (two different 
> ways to do one thing), not orthogonal.

Thats not accurate, though.

The virtio stack is modular.  For instance, with virtio-net, you have

  (guest-side)
|--------------------------
| virtio-net
|--------------------------
| virtio-ring
|--------------------------
| virtio-bus
|--------------------------
| virtio-pci
|--------------------------
                      |
                   (pci)
                      |
|--------------------------
| kvm.ko
|--------------------------
| qemu
|--------------------------
| tun-tap
|--------------------------
| netif
|--------------------------
     (host-side)

We can exchange out the "virtio-pci" module like this:

  (guest-side)
|--------------------------
| virtio-net
|--------------------------
| virtio-ring
|--------------------------
| virtio-bus
|--------------------------
| virtio-vbus
|--------------------------
| vbus-proxy
|--------------------------
| vbus-connector
|--------------------------
                      |
                   (vbus)
                      |
|--------------------------
| kvm.ko
|--------------------------
| vbus-connector
|--------------------------
| vbus
|--------------------------
| virtio-net-tap (vbus model)
|--------------------------
| netif
|--------------------------
     (host-side)


So virtio-net runs unmodified.  What is "competing" here is "virtio-pci" vs "virtio-vbus".  Also, venet vs virtio-net are technically competing.  But to say "virtio vs vbus" is inaccurate, IMO.

HTH
-Greg


  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-06 14:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-03 17:17 [PATCH 0/7] AlacrityVM guest drivers Gregory Haskins
2009-08-03 17:17 ` [PATCH 1/7] shm-signal: shared-memory signals Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 13:56   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-06 15:11     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 20:51       ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-03 17:17 ` [PATCH 2/7] ioq: Add basic definitions for a shared-memory, lockless queue Gregory Haskins
2009-08-03 17:17 ` [PATCH 3/7] vbus: add a "vbus-proxy" bus model for vbus_driver objects Gregory Haskins
2009-08-03 17:17 ` [PATCH 4/7] vbus-proxy: add a pci-to-vbus bridge Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 14:42   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-06 15:59     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 17:03       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-06 21:04         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 22:57           ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-07  4:42             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-07 14:57               ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-07 15:44                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-07 15:55               ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-07 18:25                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-03 17:17 ` [PATCH 5/7] ioq: add driver-side vbus helpers Gregory Haskins
2009-08-03 17:18 ` [PATCH 6/7] net: Add vbus_enet driver Gregory Haskins
2009-08-03 18:30   ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-08-03 20:10     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-03 20:19       ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-08-03 20:24         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-03 20:29           ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-08-04  1:14   ` [PATCH v2] " Gregory Haskins
2009-08-04  2:38     ` David Miller
2009-08-04 13:57       ` [Alacrityvm-devel] " Gregory Haskins
2009-10-02 15:33     ` [PATCH v3] " Gregory Haskins
2009-08-03 17:18 ` [PATCH 7/7] venet: add scatter-gather/GSO support Gregory Haskins
2009-08-03 18:32   ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-08-03 19:30     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-03 18:33   ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-08-03 19:57     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06  8:19 ` [PATCH 0/7] AlacrityVM guest drivers Reply-To: Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-06 10:17   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-06 12:09     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 12:08   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 12:24     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-06 13:00       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 12:54     ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 13:03       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 13:44         ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 13:45           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 13:57             ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 14:06               ` Gregory Haskins [this message]
2009-08-06 15:40                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-06 15:45                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-06 15:50                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 16:55                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-09  7:48                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 16:29                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-06 23:23                     ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-08-06 13:59             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-06 14:07               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-07 14:19   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-07 15:05     ` [PATCH 0/7] AlacrityVM guest drivers Gregory Haskins
2009-08-07 15:46       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-07 18:04         ` Gregory Haskins

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