From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755383AbZHFM2H (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:28:07 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753187AbZHFM2H (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:28:07 -0400 Received: from smtpauth.net4india.com ([202.71.129.41]:46516 "EHLO smtpauth.net4india.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752800AbZHFM2G (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:28:06 -0400 Message-ID: <4A7ACC8D.7030706@xenontk.org> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:59:01 +0530 From: David John Reply-To: davidjon@xenontk.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; X; Linux x86_64; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20090513 Thunderbird/3.0b2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russell King CC: Pavel Machek , Erik Mouw , kernel list Subject: Re: linux-arm-kernel useless for development (was Re: Your message to Linux-arm-kernel awaits moderator approval) References: <20090804100051.GA17106@elf.ucw.cz> <20090804223922.GD18365@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> <20090806125751.7d0253ce@nij0285> <20090806113104.GK31370@elf.ucw.cz> <20090806120826.GC27773@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <20090806120826.GC27773@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 08/06/2009 05:38 PM, Russell King wrote: > On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 01:31:04PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote: >> Hi! >> >>>>> Please fix your mailinglist. >>>>> >>>>> You claimed that it is possible to crosspost between lkml and lakml, >>>>> yet the lakml does everything to prevent that -- even in case as >>>>> simple as reporting that regression that affects arm. >>>>> >>>>> Please fix it. >>> It is indeed possible to cross post between lkml and lakml. The easiest >>> way to do that is to subscribe to the list and tell Mailman that you >>> don't want to receive any messages. >> Actually I'm subscribed, but I still have far too many problems. >> >> Due to the approval process, I don't think you'll ever have a spammer >> on lakml... can the mail size + #of people in to/cc list simply be >> increased to lkml levels? > > The mail size is currently 100K, having been recently increased. I > believe this is a sane limit. > > The number of people is 15, which is probably a little low. I've > already explained my personal position over that limit concerning > requests from you. Erik's position may be different. > >>> When I get such a Mailman message from a list I just shrug. The >>> moderator will take care eventually and if he rejects it I don't care. >>> Suggest you try to do the same, there are may more important things >>> than a message that doesn't get it to a list. >> Well, I'd say that mailing list is pretty vital for Linux-style >> development, and those rejects are simply far too frequent. > > This is the first time in at least one month that anything from you has > been held according to the logs. If I look at my mailbox which has > 3400+ messages from the list since 1st June, you have sent 78 messages, > only one of which was held. > > I think you need to develop a realistic sense of proportion. > I think the basis of Pavel's complaint is that the ARM mailing list is difficult to work with for casual users who might want to forward say, a simple bug report. If data protection laws prevent you from keeping an open list, can't you host the list at kernel.org or elsewhere? Regards, David.