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From: Tony Luck <tony.luck@gmail.com>
To: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@hmh.eng.br>
Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>, "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] x86/mce: Include the PPIN in machine check records when it is available
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:56:18 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BEAD8B5-4901-4FC4-974E-F2C2D1FBA5C0@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161123172916.GA19621@khazad-dum.debian.net>

IMHO people who really care should find the BIOS option and disable it there. 

Having Linux take responsibility seems a little weird. If we do go that route it should be early in setup_arch() before any callbacks to other subsystems to avoid and endless games of whack-a-mole.

I also wonder about the level of outrage this time around. The feature has been sitting there for three full generations: Ivybridge (tick), Haswell (tock) and another tick for Broadwell. Do privacy folks not read each new SDM from cover to cover?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 23, 2016, at 09:29, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@hmh.eng.br> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Borislav Petkov wrote:
>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 11:29:51AM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
>>> 1. Assuming we can do it, always lock it when it is found to be unlocked
>>>   at kernel boot.
>> 
>> Because...?
> 
> Privacy, and the fact that /dev/cpu/msr exists and is enabled on
> almost all general-use distros.
> 
>>> 2. Not attempt to change its state from disabled to enabled *unless*
>>>   given a command line parameter authorizing it.  A kconfig-based
>>>   solution for default+command line override would also work well IMHO,
>>>   if it makes more sense.
>> 
>> You can't reenable it:
> 
> Yeah, I just found the description for that thing in the IA32 manual. 
> 
> It can be disabled + unlocked, disabled + locked, or enabled + unlocked.
> Once locked, it will stay disabled until the next reboot.
> 
> However, the manual makes it clear we are _not_ supposed to leave it
> enabled + unlocked.  Apparently, we're supposed to do our business and
> disable+lock it (i.e.  enable, read and store/process, disable+lock).
> 
> Looks like it is supposed to be used in a way that protects privacy by
> making it very hard for general use software to depend on it existing
> and being enabled.
> 
> -- 
>  Henrique Holschuh

  reply	other threads:[~2016-11-23 20:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-18  0:35 [PATCH 2/2] mcelog: Print " Luck, Tony
2016-11-18  0:35 ` [PATCH 1/2] x86/mce: Include " Luck, Tony
2016-11-18 13:00   ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-18 16:42     ` Luck, Tony
2016-11-18 17:02     ` Andi Kleen
2016-11-18 17:45       ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-18 17:48       ` [PATCH v2] " Luck, Tony
2016-11-23 11:48         ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-23 13:29           ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2016-11-23 13:37             ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-23 14:05               ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-23 16:42                 ` Tony Luck
2016-11-23 16:55                   ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-23 17:29               ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2016-11-23 20:56                 ` Tony Luck [this message]
2016-11-24 11:20                   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2016-11-23 15:58           ` [tip:ras/core] x86/mce: Include the PPIN in MCE records when available tip-bot for Tony Luck

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