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From: Arun Sharma <asharma@fb.com>
To: Andrew Lutomirski <luto@mit.edu>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Kumar Sundararajan <kumar@fb.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Add a thread cpu time implementation to vDSO
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:40:34 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EE69F02.2090805@fb.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAObL_7GPA2RvVQSO9PhDs0X++=_62B83Y-CM1DL1+a9oftJ=YQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/12/11 3:01 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:

>> The timing based attacks depend on the granularity of timestamps. I feel
>> what's available here is too coarse grained to be useful. Happy to
>> disable the code at compile time for those cases. Are there
>> CONFIG_HIGH_SECURITY type of options I could use for this purpose?
>
> It allows anyone to detect with very high precision when context
> switches happen on another CPU.  This sounds a little dangerous.  I
> don't know if a config option is the right choice.

Minor nit: attacker gets to see sum_exec_runtime - sched_clock(), not 
sched_clock() directly. It might still be equally damaging (assuming the 
attacker can work out sum_exec_runtime by observing the VVAR page).

Either way, I think it's important to get to the bottom of this. 
Conversely, we might want to consider enabling things like this only 
under CONFIG_I_TRUST_STUFF_RUNNING_ON_MY_MACHINE.

>> Yes - this should be a separate patch. gcc-4.4 likes to get rid of the
>> instruction in __do_thread_cpu_time without the asm volatile (in spite of
>> the memory clobber).
>>
>
> gcc 4.4 caught a genuine bug in your code.  You ignored the return
> value (which is an output constraint), so you weren't using any
> outputs and gcc omitted the apparently useless code.  The right fix is
> to check the return value.  (And to consider adding the missing
> volatile.)

Yes - there are two bugs here.

>
>>
>>
>>>> +       if (vp->tsc_unstable) {
>>>> +               struct timespec ts;
>>>> +               vdso_fallback_gettime(CLOCK_THREAD_CPUTIME_ID,&ts);
>>>> +               return timespec_to_ns(&ts);
>>>> +       }
>>>
>>>
>>> Yuck -- another flag indicating whether we're using the tsc.
>>
>>
>> I renamed it to thread_cputime_disabled to deal with NR_CPUS>  64.
>>
>
> Still yuck.  IMO this should always work.
>

Yes - but boot time VVAR page allocation is going to take me some time 
to implement. In the meanwhile I was merely trying to ensure that 
compilation doesn't break for unsupported configs and the app doesn't 
get SIGILL when running on old 64 bit CPUs.

[..]
> Sorry, I was unclear.  gtod_data contains vclock_mode, which will tell
> you whether the tsc is usable.  I have a buggy computer (I'm typing
> this email on it) that has a TSC that is only useful per-process.  I
> don't think it's worth supporting this particular case, since it's a
> bios bug and needs fixing by the vendor.  It's hopefully rare.

Ah yes. Will make this change as well.

  -Arun

  reply	other threads:[~2011-12-13  0:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-12 19:36 [PATCH 0/2] " Arun Sharma
2011-12-12 19:36 ` [PATCH 1/2] Extend VVAR support to multiple pages Arun Sharma
2011-12-12 19:36 ` [PATCH 2/2] Add a thread cpu time implementation to vDSO Arun Sharma
2011-12-12 20:13   ` Eric Dumazet
2011-12-12 21:19     ` Arun Sharma
2011-12-12 21:27       ` Eric Dumazet
2011-12-12 21:33         ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-12-12 22:14         ` Arun Sharma
2011-12-13  8:52           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-12-13 18:15             ` Arun Sharma
2011-12-13 18:53               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-12-12 20:15   ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-12-12 22:49     ` Arun Sharma
2011-12-12 23:01       ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-12-13  0:40         ` Arun Sharma [this message]
2011-12-12 23:09   ` john stultz
2011-12-12 23:20     ` Arun Sharma
2011-12-12 23:32       ` john stultz
2011-12-12 23:41         ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-12-12 23:52           ` john stultz
2011-12-13  0:26         ` Arun Sharma
2011-12-19 19:51 [PATCH 0/2] Add a thread cpu time implementation to vDSO (v2) Arun Sharma
2011-12-19 19:51 ` [PATCH 2/2] Add a thread cpu time implementation to vDSO Arun Sharma
2011-12-19 19:58   ` Arun Sharma

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