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From: Matt Brown <matt@nmatt.com>
To: Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	Boris Lukashev <blukashev@sempervictus.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com" 
	<kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>,
	linux-security-module <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v7 2/2] security: tty: make TIOCSTI ioctl require CAP_SYS_ADMIN
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2017 18:22:56 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4a8e9445-4c3f-e44e-9d84-fef2ca956517@nmatt.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170603230048.52b7f111@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>

On 06/03/2017 06:00 PM, Alan Cox wrote:
>> TIOCSLCKTRMIOS
>
> That one I'm more dubious about
>
>> TIOCSLTC
>> TIOCSSOFTCAR
>
> tty_io.c also has a few and n_tty has a couple we'd want.
>
>>
>> would it be overkill to have a sysctl kernel.ttyioctlwhitelist.X where X
>> is one of the ioctls above?
>
> Why would anyone want to change the entries on that list
>

Did you see Serge's proposed solution? I want us to not be talking past
each other. Serge proposed the following:

| By default, nothing changes - you can use those on your own tty, need
| CAP_SYS_ADMIN against init_user_ns otherwise.
|
| Introduce a new CAP_TTY_PRIVILEGED.
|
| When may_push_chars is removed from the whitelist, you lose the
| ability to use TIOCSTI on a tty - even your own - if you do not have
| CAP_TTY_PRIVILEGED against the tty's user_ns.

The question is how do you add/remove something from this whitelist? I
assume by add/remove we don't mean that you have to recompile your
kernel to change the whitelist!

you earlier said you wanted the check to look like this:

| if (!whitelisted(ioctl) && different_namespace && magic_flag)

I want to know which namespace you are talking about here. Did you mean
user_namespace? (the namespace I added tracking for in the tty_struct)

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-03 22:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-29 21:37 [PATCH v7 0/2] " Matt Brown
2017-05-29 21:37 ` [PATCH v7 1/2] security: tty: Add owner user namespace to tty_struct Matt Brown
2017-05-29 21:38 ` [PATCH v7 2/2] security: tty: make TIOCSTI ioctl require CAP_SYS_ADMIN Matt Brown
2017-05-29 22:26   ` Alan Cox
2017-05-29 23:51     ` [kernel-hardening] " Boris Lukashev
2017-05-30  0:27       ` Casey Schaufler
2017-05-30  2:00         ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30  2:46           ` Casey Schaufler
2017-05-30  3:18             ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30 12:24               ` Alan Cox
2017-05-30 16:28                 ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30 16:44                   ` Daniel Micay
2017-05-30 18:32                   ` Stephen Smalley
2017-05-30 18:44                     ` Nick Kralevich
2017-05-30 18:57                       ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30 20:22                         ` Daniel Micay
2017-05-30 23:00                           ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30 23:40                             ` Daniel Micay
2017-05-30 23:59                               ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30 22:51                   ` Alan Cox
2017-05-30 23:19                     ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30 23:56                       ` Alan Cox
2017-06-01  2:35                         ` Kees Cook
2017-06-01 13:08                           ` Alan Cox
2017-06-01 17:18                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-01 21:26                               ` Alan Cox
2017-06-01 18:58                             ` Kees Cook
2017-06-01 21:24                               ` Alan Cox
2017-06-02 14:46                                 ` Matt Brown
2017-06-02 15:36                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-02 16:02                                     ` Matt Brown
2017-06-02 16:57                                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-02 17:32                                         ` Matt Brown
2017-06-02 18:18                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-02 19:22                                             ` Matt Brown
2017-06-02 19:25                                               ` Kees Cook
2017-06-02 19:26                                                 ` Matt Brown
2017-06-02 20:05                                       ` Alan Cox
2017-06-02 20:11                                         ` Nick Kralevich
2017-06-02 20:46                                         ` Matt Brown
2017-06-03 22:00                                           ` Alan Cox
2017-06-03 22:22                                             ` Matt Brown [this message]
2017-06-04  3:37                                               ` Peter Dolding
2017-05-30 15:20               ` Casey Schaufler
2017-05-30 16:09                 ` Matt Brown
2017-06-04  6:29         ` Boris Lukashev
2017-05-31  2:48       ` James Morris
2017-05-31  4:10         ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30  0:15     ` Matt Brown

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