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From: Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de>
To: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>, Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
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	rcu@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH printk v2 09/12] printk: add functions to prefer direct printing
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 22:20:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4bcfd2b3-66fd-c5df-a8df-c51a89a0bce4@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878rsgvews.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de>

On 4/7/22 22:04, John Ogness wrote:
> On 2022-04-07, Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de> wrote:
>> In my case - while I debug low-level kernel code - I then just need to
>> use pr_warn() or pr_emerg() and get it printed non-threadened. That's
>> sufficient for me.
>
> Actually, no. The loglevel does not determine if a message is direct
> printed or not. By "warn" I was referring to WARN_ON(condition).

Oh, then there was a misunderstanding on my side.

> If you are debugging low-level kernel code, you usually will _want_
> threaded printing. The timestamps match the printk() call, so you will
> get accurate logs. And the runtime performance of your low-level kernel
> code will not be significantly affected by the printk() call.

That really much depends on what you debug.
Currently I'm debugging some CPU hotplug stuff, and I really want my
debug info printed immediately, otherwise it's too late to analyze what's
going wrong. I can imaginge other use cases like trying to find memory
leaks are similiar.

> If for some reason you really want non-threaded printing, the patch we
> are discussing creates new functions to manually activate it:
>
> printk_prefer_direct_enter();
> pr_info("debugging\n");
> printk_prefer_direct_exit();

That's quite unhandy. At least I would have thought that pr_emerg() would
do that call sequence.
Wouldn't it make sense to make pr_emerg() work unthreadened, as it's
used quite seldom and only in special situations...

> But then your pr_info() will cause significant latencies. The timestamp
> would be the same, with or without direct printing.

Yes, but that would be Ok in my case.

Helge

  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-07 20:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-05 13:25 [PATCH printk v2 00/12] implement threaded console printing John Ogness
2022-04-05 13:25 ` [PATCH printk v2 01/12] printk: rename cpulock functions John Ogness
2022-04-06  9:07   ` Petr Mladek
2022-04-05 13:25 ` [PATCH printk v2 02/12] printk: cpu sync always disable interrupts John Ogness
2022-04-05 13:25 ` [PATCH printk v2 03/12] printk: get caller_id/timestamp after migration disable John Ogness
2022-04-05 13:25 ` [PATCH printk v2 04/12] printk: call boot_delay_msec() in printk_delay() John Ogness
2022-04-05 13:25 ` [PATCH printk v2 05/12] printk: add macro for console detail messages John Ogness
2022-04-06 10:31   ` Petr Mladek
2022-04-05 13:25 ` [PATCH printk v2 06/12] printk: refactor and rework printing logic John Ogness
2022-04-06 14:02   ` Petr Mladek
2022-04-05 13:25 ` [PATCH printk v2 07/12] printk: move buffer definitions into console_emit_next_record() caller John Ogness
2022-04-06 14:40   ` Petr Mladek
2022-04-05 13:25 ` [PATCH printk v2 08/12] printk: add pr_flush() John Ogness
2022-04-06 15:17   ` Petr Mladek
2022-04-08 18:57     ` John Ogness
2022-04-05 13:25 ` [PATCH printk v2 09/12] printk: add functions to prefer direct printing John Ogness
2022-04-07  9:56   ` Petr Mladek
2022-04-07 13:35     ` Helge Deller
2022-04-07 14:35       ` John Ogness
2022-04-07 19:36         ` Helge Deller
2022-04-07 20:04           ` John Ogness
2022-04-07 20:20             ` Helge Deller [this message]
2022-04-11 12:50               ` Petr Mladek
2022-04-09 15:57   ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-04-05 13:25 ` [PATCH printk v2 10/12] printk: add kthread console printers John Ogness
2022-04-07 16:43   ` start/stop: was: " Petr Mladek
2022-04-07 16:49   ` console_is_usable() check: " Petr Mladek
2022-04-07 16:53   ` wake_up_klogd(): " Petr Mladek
2022-04-07 16:56   ` console_flush_all(): was: : was " Petr Mladek
2022-04-05 13:25 ` [PATCH printk v2 11/12] printk: extend console_lock for proper kthread support John Ogness
2022-04-08 13:45   ` guarantee forward progress: was: " Petr Mladek
2022-04-08 20:17     ` John Ogness
2022-04-11 10:45       ` Petr Mladek
2022-04-08 13:52   ` register_console: " Petr Mladek
2022-04-05 13:25 ` [PATCH printk v2 12/12] printk: remove @console_locked John Ogness
2022-04-05 15:03 ` [PATCH printk v2 00/12] implement threaded console printing Andy Shevchenko
2022-04-05 21:24   ` John Ogness

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