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From: Shubhang <sh@gentwo.org>
To: Zhan Xusheng <zhanxusheng1024@gmail.com>
Cc: Zhan Xusheng <zhanxusheng@xiaomi.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	 Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	 Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	 Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	 Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>,  Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	 K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>,
	 Christopher Lameter <cl@os.amperecomputing.com>,
	 Shubhang Kaushik <shubhang@os.amperecomputing.com>,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] sched/core: Skip rq->avg_idle update without a valid idle_stamp
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2026 13:24:21 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4e6582d5-340d-9e61-cabd-a09cd2536bc4@gentwo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260807024541.1136441-1-zhanxusheng@xiaomi.com>

Hi Zhan,

On Fri, 7 Aug 2026, Zhan Xusheng wrote:

> On Thu, 06 Aug 2026 17:26:27 -0700, Shubhang Kaushik (Ampere) wrote:
>> This can happen when the scheduler switches to the idle task through a
>> path that did not set rq->idle_stamp via newidle_balance(), for example
>> during find_proxy_task() or force-idling.
>
> There is a path that needs no config option, and I suspect it is what
> your hackbench tracing actually hit: sched_balance_newidle() returns
> before it stamps.
>
> 	if (this_rq->ttwu_pending)
> 		return 0;
> 	...
> 	this_rq->idle_stamp = rq_clock(this_rq);
>
> The early return sits above the assignment, and its own comment says the
> task will be enqueued when switching to idle.  So the rq goes idle with
> idle_stamp == 0 and leaves idle again as soon as the pending wakeup is
> processed, which is exactly when put_prev_task_idle() consumes the
> stamp.  A wakeup-heavy load like hackbench should hit that constantly,
> whereas find_proxy_task() and force-idling need proxy exec or
> CONFIG_SCHED_CORE.  (Force-idle is the sched_core_enabled(rq) return at
> the idle: label in pick_next_task_fair(), which is also above the
> newidle call.)
>
> Worth naming ttwu_pending in the changelog?  It makes the bug
> config-independent, which seems relevant given the Fixes: tag.
>
> The fix itself looks equivalent to what 4b603f1551a7 removed: the old
> ttwu_do_activate() code was wrapped in if (rq->idle_stamp), and skipping
> the trailing rq->idle_stamp = 0 is a no-op when the stamp is already
> zero.  update_rq_avg_idle() has just the one caller, so nothing else
> changes.
>

Thanks for the suggestion, that makes sense. The ttwu_pending path is a 
better example since it does not depend on proxy exec or core scheduling, 
and it is likely what hackbench hit.

I will update the changelog to lead with sched_balance_newidle() 
returning before setting idle_stamp when ttwu_pending is set.

> Nit: unlikely(!idle_stamp) may be the wrong way round if ttwu_pending is
> the common trigger.

Ack.

>
> Thanks,
> Zhan Xusheng
>

Regards,
Shubhang Kaushik

      reply	other threads:[~2026-08-07 20:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-07  0:26 Shubhang Kaushik (Ampere)
2026-08-07  1:01 ` John Stultz
2026-08-07  2:45 ` Zhan Xusheng
2026-08-07 20:24   ` Shubhang [this message]

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