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From: Anton Altaparmakov <aia21@cam.ac.uk>
To: "James A. Sutherland" <jas88@cam.ac.uk>
Cc: Venkatesh Ramamurthy <Venkateshr@ami.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: Microsoft begining to open source Windows 2000?
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:53:08 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010308174629.00a89ec0@pop.cus.cam.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103081733420.13093-100000@dax.joh.cam.ac.uk >
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010308162515.00a63a80@pop.cus.cam.ac.uk>

At 17:36 08/03/2001, James A. Sutherland wrote:
>On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Anton Altaparmakov wrote:
> > At 16:04 08/03/01, Venkatesh Ramamurthy wrote:
> > It is a "look but don't touch" license which is as far away from the ideas
> > of the GPL as you can possibly get.
>
>Is it? Going from "totally closed" to "we might let you see the code if
>you grovel" is a step in the right direction, at least.

It would be except there is no big change. Microsoft was already doing 
that, as you say below yourself, except that it is now broadening the 
number of people that are allowed to see the code.

> > Even submitting them a patch is technically violating their license as a
> > patch implies that you have modified their code already, which is 
> forbidden!
>
>Hmm... Perhaps. I doubt they'd object, particularly if the patch worked :P

Well, there is that of course. But if they wanted to, they could shoot you 
down for it in accordance with the license.

> > The only change from before that I can see is that Microsoft is going to
> > make even more money now, because they will collect the money from ~1000
> > instead of ~10 people. No other news there.
>
>They do already license the source to a few trusted companies (Executive
>Software used to ship modified NTFS drivers for NT 3.51 as part of
>Diskeeper, IIRC). They are inching ever so slowly towards letting human
>beings (cf MS drones) read their code...

Exactly my point. Only a slight change in numbers, nothing more, nothing less.

Anton


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Anton Altaparmakov <aia21 at cam.ac.uk> (replace at with @)
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-03-08 17:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-03-08 16:04 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-03-08 16:21 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-08 16:28 ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-03-08 18:07   ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-03-08 18:32   ` Joseph Pingenot
2001-03-09 10:40   ` Graham Murray
2001-03-09 12:05     ` Jesse Pollard
2001-03-09 12:47       ` Rogier Wolff
2001-03-10  2:10         ` Jesse Pollard
2001-03-09 13:26     ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-03-09 17:01       ` Ralf Baechle
2001-03-09 19:34         ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-03-08 16:31 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-03-08 17:36   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-03-08 17:53   ` Anton Altaparmakov [this message]
2001-03-08 19:14     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-03-09  3:35 ` Werner Almesberger
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-03-08 21:21 Jason Venner
2001-03-08 19:40 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-03-08 16:49 Wayne.Brown
2001-03-08 15:24 Jesse Pollard
2001-03-08 18:34 ` Ian Stirling
2001-03-08 20:41   ` Jesse Pollard
2001-03-08 15:01 Venkatesh Ramamurthy
2001-03-08 15:52 ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-03-08 16:06 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-09  5:43   ` J. Dow
2001-03-09  6:34     ` Mike Galbraith
2001-03-09 11:11       ` Dr. Michael Weller
2001-03-08 19:10 ` Roeland Th. Jansen
2001-03-08 19:38 ` Lars Gaarden
2001-03-09 18:16 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-03-10  3:49   ` Steve Underwood
2001-03-11 17:23   ` Mark H. Wood

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