From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S263412AbTJKWTH (ORCPT ); Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:19:07 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S263411AbTJKWTG (ORCPT ); Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:19:06 -0400 Received: from fluent2.pyramid.net ([206.100.220.213]:4996 "EHLO fluent2.pyramid.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S263406AbTJKWS7 (ORCPT ); Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:18:59 -0400 X-Not-Legal-Opinion: IANAL I am not a lawyer X-For-Entertainment-Purposes-Only: True X-message-flag: Please update my contact to send plain-text mail only. Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20031011150156.01127670@fluent2.pyramid.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:16:52 -0700 To: Willy TARREAU From: Stephen Satchell Subject: Re: Job Announcements (was Linux TCP/IP Stack Developer) Cc: "David S. Miller" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-net@vger.kernel.org, kernelnewbies@nl.linux.org In-Reply-To: <20031011212936.GA15198@pcw.home.local> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20031011130522.011e97b0@fluent2.pyramid.net> <1065826508.1612.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1065826508.1612.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5.2.1.1.0.20031011130522.011e97b0@fluent2.pyramid.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org At 11:29 PM 10/11/2003 +0200, you wrote: >So the only way to prevent this from happening, is to forbid them to do it, >even if some people may miss one good opportunity. There are sites for this, >even newsgroups, so it clearly doesn't have its place here. I'm sure David >also has a lot of other reasons for this, but I sincerely think that the ones >I exposed here are already good justifications by themselves Willy, I agree with almost every word. I remember what happened to UseNet and some of the early mailing lists when they became over-run with commercial and self-serving messages (did someone say "kibo"?) and I don't envy David his job. Bald prohibitions are easy and nasty. Prohibitions with a steer in the right direction are just as easy, and comes across as more of a service to everyone. How much better it would have been for David to have said something with a positive twist: "Don't do it here, do it at linux-jobs@vger.kernel.org" or some such. (Assuming such a list exists -- and if there isn't such a list is it time to start one?) As for sites and newsgroups, though, I have to take exception to your observation. I have yet to find one that attracts both potential employers and potential employees and keeps its listings current. The closest I have found to an active job list for Linux is Craig's List; sites such as www.hotlinuxjobs.com are not very up-to-date in the offerings -- every time I had tried to follow up on a listing from October 2002 to April 2003 I was told "that job's already filled." The general-purpose jobs sites (Hot Jobs, Dice, America's Job Bank, and others) have some Linux jobs but usually as part of a package of jobs, not in isolation. I'd appreciate specifics on good sites for Linux people, both from the perspective of an employer and a job seeker. Satch -- "People who seem to have had a new idea have often just stopped having an old idea." -- Dr. Edwin H. Land