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From: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
To: Roger Larsson <roger.larsson@skelleftea.mail.telia.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH]O14int [SCHED_SOFTRR please]
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:46:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030811212837.01975fa0@pop.gmx.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200308112019.38613.roger.larsson@skelleftea.mail.telia.com >

At 08:19 PM 8/11/2003 +0200, Roger Larsson wrote:
>On Sunday 10 August 2003 13.17, Mike Galbraith wrote:
> > At 01:48 AM 8/10/2003 -0700, Simon Kirby wrote:
> > >I am seeing similar starvation problems that others are seeing in these
> > >threads.  At first it was whenever I clicked a link in Mozilla -- xmms
> > >would stop, sometimes for a second or so, on a Celeron 466 MHz machine.
> >
> > Do you see this with test-X and Ingo's latest changes too?  I can only
> > imagine one scenario off the top of my head where this could happen; if
> > xmms exhausted a slice while STARVATION_LIMIT is exceeded, it could land in
> > the expired array and remain unserviced for the period of time it takes for
> > all tasks remaining in the active array to exhaust their slices.  Seems
> > like that should be pretty rare though.
> >
>
>xmms is a RT process - it does not really have interactivity problems...
>It will be extremely hard to fix this in a generic scheduler, instead
>let xmms be the RT process it is with SCHED_SOFTRR (or whatever
>it will be named).
>Do this for arts, and other audio/video path applications.

(For the scenario described, it doesn't matter what scheduler policy is used)

>Then start the race for interactivity tuning
>  (X, X applications, console, login, etc)
>
>interactivity = two-way
>         http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=interactive
>
>Listening to music is not interactive.

?!?  <tilt> What makes you say that?  What in the world am I doing when I 
fire up xmms?
(can't be the two way thing... that's happening until I stop listening)

         -Mike

         -Mike 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-08-11 19:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-08-08 20:08 [PATCH]O14int Voluspa
2003-08-09  0:36 ` [PATCH]O14int Con Kolivas
2003-08-10  8:48   ` [PATCH]O14int Simon Kirby
2003-08-10  9:06     ` [PATCH]O14int Con Kolivas
2003-08-12 17:56       ` [PATCH]O14int Simon Kirby
2003-08-12 21:21         ` [PATCH]O14int Con Kolivas
2003-08-10 10:08     ` [PATCH]O14int William Lee Irwin III
2003-08-12 18:36       ` [PATCH]O14int Simon Kirby
2003-08-10 11:17     ` [PATCH]O14int Mike Galbraith
2003-08-11 18:19       ` [PATCH]O14int [SCHED_SOFTRR please] Roger Larsson
2003-08-11 21:53         ` Con Kolivas
     [not found]       ` <200308120226.35580.roger.larsson@skelleftea.mail.telia.com >
2003-08-12  5:40         ` What is interactivity? " Mike Galbraith
2003-08-12 15:29           ` Timothy Miller
2003-08-13  1:43           ` Rob Landley
     [not found]   ` <200308112019.38613.roger.larsson@skelleftea.mail.telia.com >
2003-08-11 19:46     ` Mike Galbraith [this message]
2003-08-12  0:26       ` Roger Larsson

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