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From: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
To: Paolo Ornati <ornati@fastwebnet.it>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Peter Williams <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [SCHED] wrong priority calc - SIMPLE test case
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:18:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20060110153406.00be63e8@pop.gmx.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060110145321.00aa7040@localhost>

At 02:53 PM 1/10/2006 +0100, Paolo Ornati wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:01:36 +0100
>Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> > > > Can you please try this version?  It tries harder to correct any
> > >
> > >It seems that you have forgotten the to attach the patch...
> >
> > Drat.  At least I'm not the first to ever do so :)
>
>This version basically works like the the previous, except that it makes
>the priority adjustment faster (that is fine).
>
>However I can fool it the same way.
>
>"./a.out 7000"
>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
>  5459 paolo     22   0  2392  288  228 S 71.3  0.1   0:09.47 a.out
>
>"./a.out 3000"
>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
>  5493 paolo     19   0  2396  292  228 R 49.8  0.1   0:14.42 a.out
>
>"./a.out 1500"
>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
>  5495 paolo     18   0  2396  288  228 S 33.4  0.1   0:09.60 a.out
>
>
>Fooling it:
>
>"./a.out 7000 & ./a.out 6537 & ./a.out 6347 & ./a.out 5873 &"
>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
>  5502 paolo     19   0  2392  288  228 R 27.0  0.1   0:05.64 a.out
>  5503 paolo     19   0  2396  288  228 R 26.0  0.1   0:07.50 a.out
>  5505 paolo     19   0  2396  292  228 R 25.6  0.1   0:07.24 a.out
>  5504 paolo     18   0  2392  288  228 R 21.0  0.1   0:06.78 a.out
>
>(priorities fluctuate between 18/19)
>
>
>Again with more of them:
>
>./a.out 7000 & ./a.out 6537 & ./a.out 6347 & ./a.out 5873& ./a.out 6245 & 
>./a.out 5467 &
>
>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
>  5525 paolo     18   0  2396  288  228 R 26.4  0.1   0:07.48 a.out
>  5521 paolo     19   0  2396  288  228 R 22.0  0.1   0:09.00 a.out
>  5524 paolo     19   0  2392  288  228 R 19.6  0.1   0:07.21 a.out
>  5523 paolo     19   0  2392  288  228 R 13.0  0.1   0:10.60 a.out
>  5520 paolo     19   0  2392  288  228 R 11.0  0.1   0:08.46 a.out
>  5522 paolo     19   0  2396  288  228 R  7.8  0.1   0:07.14 a.out
>
>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
>  5528 paolo     18   0  2392  288  228 R 19.7  0.1   0:18.15 a.out
>  5533 paolo     15   0  2396  288  228 S 19.3  0.1   0:19.12 a.out
>  5531 paolo     18   0  2396  288  228 R 18.5  0.1   0:19.23 a.out
>  5532 paolo     17   0  2392  288  228 R 15.1  0.1   0:18.55 a.out
>  5529 paolo     18   0  2396  288  228 R 14.7  0.1   0:13.05 a.out
>  5530 paolo     18   0  2392  288  228 R 12.5  0.1   0:20.42 a.out
>
>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
>  5530 paolo     18   0  2392  288  228 R 21.0  0.1   0:25.42 a.out
>  5533 paolo     18   0  2396  288  228 R 20.2  0.1   0:24.75 a.out
>  5529 paolo     18   0  2396  288  228 R 16.2  0.1   0:17.68 a.out
>  5532 paolo     18   0  2392  288  228 R 14.8  0.1   0:23.33 a.out
>  5531 paolo     18   0  2396  288  228 R 14.4  0.1   0:23.96 a.out
>  5528 paolo     18   0  2392  288  228 R 13.6  0.1   0:23.03 a.out

I don't think it's being fooled, it's pulling these guys down, it's just 
that the plausible limit goes up the more tasks you're sharing the cpu 
with, so they hit the throttle less.  If you start a bunch of tasks who 
only do a short burn such that their individual cpu usage isn't much, but 
together they use all available cpu, you can still severely starve 
non-sleeping == low priority tasks.  This patch won't help for that... 
that's an entirely different problem, and fortunately one that doesn't seem 
to happen much in real life otherwise folks would be bitching like 
crazy.  To guard against it, there are a lot of different things you can 
do.  All of the ways that I know of are very bad for the desktop user, and 
fortunately for me, beyond the intended scope of this patch :)

         -Mike 


  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-10 15:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-27 18:09 [SCHED] Totally WRONG prority calculation with specific test-case (since 2.6.10-bk12) Paolo Ornati
2005-12-27 21:48 ` Paolo Ornati
2005-12-27 23:26   ` Con Kolivas
2005-12-28 11:01     ` Paolo Ornati
2005-12-28 11:19       ` Con Kolivas
2005-12-28 11:35         ` Paolo Ornati
2005-12-28 17:23           ` Paolo Ornati
2005-12-28 17:39             ` Paolo Ornati
2005-12-30 13:52     ` [SCHED] wrong priority calc - SIMPLE test case Paolo Ornati
2005-12-31  2:06       ` Peter Williams
2005-12-31 10:34         ` Paolo Ornati
2005-12-31 10:52           ` Paolo Ornati
2005-12-31 11:12             ` Con Kolivas
2005-12-31 13:44             ` Peter Williams
2005-12-31 16:31               ` Paolo Ornati
2005-12-31 22:04                 ` Peter Williams
2005-12-31  8:13       ` Mike Galbraith
2005-12-31 11:00         ` Paolo Ornati
2005-12-31 15:11         ` Paolo Ornati
2005-12-31 16:37           ` Mike Galbraith
2005-12-31 17:24             ` Paolo Ornati
2005-12-31 17:42               ` Paolo Ornati
2006-01-01 11:39             ` Paolo Ornati
2006-01-02  9:15               ` Mike Galbraith
2006-01-02  9:50                 ` Paolo Ornati
2006-01-09 11:11                 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-01-09 15:52                   ` Mike Galbraith
2006-01-09 16:08                     ` Con Kolivas
2006-01-09 18:14                       ` Mike Galbraith
2006-01-09 20:00                     ` Paolo Ornati
2006-01-09 20:23                       ` Paolo Ornati
2006-01-10  7:08                       ` Mike Galbraith
2006-01-10 12:07                         ` Mike Galbraith
2006-01-10 12:56                           ` Paolo Ornati
2006-01-10 13:01                             ` Mike Galbraith
2006-01-10 13:53                               ` Paolo Ornati
2006-01-10 15:18                                 ` Mike Galbraith [this message]
2006-01-13  1:13       ` Con Kolivas
2006-01-13  1:32         ` Con Kolivas
2006-01-13 10:46         ` Paolo Ornati
2006-01-13 10:51           ` Con Kolivas
2006-01-13 13:01             ` Mike Galbraith
2006-01-13 14:34               ` Con Kolivas
2006-01-13 16:15                 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-01-14  2:05                   ` Con Kolivas
2006-01-14  2:56                     ` Mike Galbraith
2005-12-27 23:59   ` [SCHED] Totally WRONG prority calculation with specific test-case (since 2.6.10-bk12) Peter Williams
2005-12-28 10:20     ` Paolo Ornati
2005-12-28 13:38       ` Peter Williams
2005-12-28 19:45         ` Paolo Ornati
2005-12-29  3:13         ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-29  3:35           ` Peter Williams
2005-12-29  8:11             ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-27 16:57 [SCHED] wrong priority calc - SIMPLE test case Con Kolivas
2006-01-27 20:06 ` MIke Galbraith
2006-01-27 23:18   ` Con Kolivas
2006-01-28  0:01     ` Peter Williams
2006-01-28  3:43     ` MIke Galbraith

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