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From: David Ahern <dsahern@gmail.com>
To: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@ghostprotocols.net>
Cc: Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>, Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/11] perf tool: precise mode requires exclude_guest
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:16:33 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5010D2B1.3000206@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120724180312.GJ6717@infradead.org>

On 7/24/12 12:03 PM, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo wrote:
> Em Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:28:48AM -0600, David Ahern escreveu:
>> On 7/24/12 10:15 AM, Robert Richter wrote:
>>> On AMD cpus precise_ip maps to IBS, which does not support hardware
>>> options as perfctrs do. Thus, following attr flags are not supported:
>
>>>   exclude_user, exclude_kernel, exclude_host, exclude_guest
>
>>> Counting in guest mode is possible with IBS, but not the exclusion of
>>> a certain mode. If precise_ip counting is enabled on AMD we may not
>>> set the exclude_guest flag.
>
>> Ok, so with AMD precise_ip requires exclude_guest to be unset; for
>> Intel we need it set.
>
>> So then we look at vendor_id in /proc/cpuinfo?
>
> Does it return EOPNOTSUPP or something similar if something not
> supported is asked for?
>
> Fallbacking, or capability querying if you will, may be the way to do it
> without having to maintain an userland table for what is possible,
> leaving it to the kernel drivers for each arch.

Peter's patch (see https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/7/9/298) changes kernel 
side to require the use of exclude_guest if the precise modifier is 
used, returning -EOPNOTSUPP if exclude_guest is not set. This patch goes 
after the user experience: Today if a user specifies -e <event>:p all 
other modifiers are reset - including exclude_guest. Going forward we 
need :p to imply :pH if a user has not specified a GH modifer.

We could do nothing and handle the unsupported error and try setting the 
exclude_guest option - like perf handles other new parameters. But 
EOPNOTSUPP is not uniquely tied to this error -- e.g., it could be the 
BTS is not supported (:pp). Also, we have no easy way to discriminate :p 
from :pG or :pGH. It seems to me perf should not silently undo a user 
request on the modifier, but inform the user the request is wrong. For 
example if a user request -e cycles:pG it should not be silently turned 
into :pH.

And then yesterday, Robert stated that none of the exclude_xxxx 
modifiers can be set for the AMD if the precise modifier is used, so we 
cannot blindly set exclude_guest if precise_ip is set.

So, seems to me perf need's one action for Intel processors and another 
for AMD.

David

>
> We do it now for sample_id_all and some other newer stuff, maybe we can
> do it for this as well.
>
> - Arnaldo
>


  reply	other threads:[~2012-07-26  5:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-20 23:25 [PATCH 00/11] perf tool: assorted cleanups and bug fixes David Ahern
2012-07-20 23:25 ` [PATCH 01/11] perf tool: add machine id to modules debug message David Ahern
2012-07-25 19:16   ` [tip:perf/core] perf symbols: Add " tip-bot for David Ahern
2012-07-20 23:25 ` [PATCH 02/11] perf kvm: set name for VM process in guest machine David Ahern
2012-07-25 12:12   ` Jiri Olsa
2012-07-25 19:17   ` [tip:perf/core] perf kvm: Set " tip-bot for David Ahern
2012-07-20 23:25 ` [PATCH 03/11] perf kvm: guest userspace samples should not be lumped with host uspace David Ahern
2012-07-25 12:13   ` Jiri Olsa
2012-07-25 19:18   ` [tip:perf/core] perf kvm: Guest " tip-bot for David Ahern
2012-07-20 23:25 ` [PATCH 04/11] perf kvm: fix bug resolving guest kernel syms - v2 David Ahern
2012-07-25 12:11   ` Jiri Olsa
2012-07-25 19:19   ` [tip:perf/core] perf kvm: Fix bug resolving guest kernel syms tip-bot for David Ahern
2012-07-20 23:25 ` [PATCH 05/11] perf kvm: use strtol for walking guestmount directory David Ahern
2012-07-23 18:09   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2012-07-20 23:25 ` [PATCH 06/11] perf kvm: limit repetitive guestmount message to once per directory David Ahern
2012-07-23 18:11   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2012-07-25 19:20   ` [tip:perf/core] perf kvm: Limit " tip-bot for David Ahern
2012-07-20 23:25 ` [PATCH 07/11] perf tools: dump exclude_{guest,host}, precise_ip header info too David Ahern
2012-07-25 19:20   ` [tip:perf/core] perf tools: Dump " tip-bot for David Ahern
2012-07-20 23:25 ` [PATCH 08/11] perf tool: precise mode requires exclude_guest David Ahern
2012-07-23 18:13   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2012-07-24 14:20     ` David Ahern
2012-07-24 16:15       ` Robert Richter
2012-07-24 17:28         ` David Ahern
2012-07-24 18:03           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2012-07-26  5:16             ` David Ahern [this message]
2012-07-26  8:08               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-08-03 13:51                 ` Robert Richter
2012-08-15 15:22                   ` David Ahern
2012-09-05 15:43                   ` David Ahern
2012-09-05 22:07                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-09-06 17:44                       ` Robert Richter
2012-09-06 18:19                         ` David Ahern
2012-07-25 20:35         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-26  5:50           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-07-26  8:07             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-26  8:10               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-07-26  9:07               ` Robert Richter
2012-08-02 16:06             ` David Ahern
2012-09-06 19:02   ` Robert Richter
2012-09-06 19:17     ` David Ahern
2012-09-06 19:56       ` Robert Richter
2012-09-07 16:41         ` [PATCH] perf, ibs: Check syscall attribute flags Robert Richter
2012-09-07 16:50           ` David Ahern
2012-09-07 17:07             ` Robert Richter
2012-09-07 17:11               ` David Ahern
2012-09-07 17:20                 ` David Ahern
2012-09-10 13:07                   ` Robert Richter
2012-09-10 15:37                     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2012-09-07 17:25                 ` Robert Richter
2012-09-07 16:56           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-09-07 17:18             ` Robert Richter
2012-09-07 19:11               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-09-10  9:30             ` [PATCH -v2] " Robert Richter
2012-09-14  6:17               ` [tip:perf/urgent] perf/x86/ibs: " tip-bot for Robert Richter
2012-07-20 23:25 ` [PATCH 09/11] perf top: error handling for counter creation should parallel perf-record David Ahern
2012-07-23 18:15   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2012-07-24 14:01     ` David Ahern
2012-07-24 14:39       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2012-07-20 23:25 ` [PATCH 10/11] perf tool: give user better message if precise is not supported David Ahern
2012-07-21 10:40   ` Namhyung Kim
2012-07-22  2:28     ` David Ahern
2012-07-20 23:25 ` [PATCH 11/11] perf kvm top: limit guest kernel info message to once David Ahern
2012-07-23 18:17   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2012-07-24 14:02     ` David Ahern
2012-07-24 14:40       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo

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