From: Stephan Mueller <smueller@chronox.de>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Linux Kernel Developers List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, herbert@gondor.apana.org.au,
andi@firstfloor.org, sandyinchina@gmail.com, jsd@av8n.com,
hpa@zytor.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/7] random: replace non-blocking pool with a Chacha20-based CRNG
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 20:00:33 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5058147.V85lyiaTYe@positron.chronox.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1465832919-11316-6-git-send-email-tytso@mit.edu>
Am Montag, 13. Juni 2016, 11:48:37 schrieb Theodore Ts'o:
Hi Theodore,
> /*
> @@ -1254,15 +1423,26 @@ static ssize_t extract_entropy_user(struct
> entropy_store *r, void __user *buf, */
> void get_random_bytes(void *buf, int nbytes)
> {
> + __u8 tmp[CHACHA20_BLOCK_SIZE];
> +
> #if DEBUG_RANDOM_BOOT > 0
> - if (unlikely(nonblocking_pool.initialized == 0))
> + if (!crng_ready())
> printk(KERN_NOTICE "random: %pF get_random_bytes called "
> - "with %d bits of entropy available\n",
> - (void *) _RET_IP_,
> - nonblocking_pool.entropy_total);
> + "with crng_init = %d\n", (void *) _RET_IP_, crng_init);
> #endif
> trace_get_random_bytes(nbytes, _RET_IP_);
> - extract_entropy(&nonblocking_pool, buf, nbytes, 0, 0);
> +
> + while (nbytes >= CHACHA20_BLOCK_SIZE) {
> + extract_crng(buf);
> + buf += CHACHA20_BLOCK_SIZE;
> + nbytes -= CHACHA20_BLOCK_SIZE;
> + }
> +
> + if (nbytes > 0) {
> + extract_crng(tmp);
> + memcpy(buf, tmp, nbytes);
> + memzero_explicit(tmp, nbytes);
> + }
What is your take on the following issue:
1. The ChaCha20 is seeded with 256 bits (let us assume it is full entropy)
2. The ChaCha20 block operation shuffles the 256 bits of entropy over the 512
bit state -- already here we see that after shuffling, the entropy to bit
ratio fell from (256 bits of entropy / 256 data bits) to (256 bits of entropy
/ 512 data bits).
3. The code above directly returns the output of the ChaCha20 round to the
caller. Considering the discussion in step 2, I would assume that the entropy
content of the output size is cut in half.
Ciao
Stephan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-06-13 18:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-06-13 15:48 [PATCH-v4 0/7] random: replace urandom pool with a CRNG Theodore Ts'o
2016-06-13 15:48 ` [PATCH 1/7] random: initialize the non-blocking pool via add_hwgenerator_randomness() Theodore Ts'o
2016-06-13 15:48 ` [PATCH 2/7] random: print a warning for the first ten uninitialized random users Theodore Ts'o
2016-06-13 15:48 ` [PATCH 3/7] random: add interrupt callback to VMBus IRQ handler Theodore Ts'o
2016-06-13 15:48 ` [PATCH 4/7] random: properly align get_random_int_hash Theodore Ts'o
2016-06-13 15:48 ` [PATCH 5/7] random: replace non-blocking pool with a Chacha20-based CRNG Theodore Ts'o
2016-06-13 18:00 ` Stephan Mueller [this message]
2016-06-13 19:03 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-06-15 14:59 ` Herbert Xu
2016-06-19 23:18 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-06-20 1:25 ` Herbert Xu
2016-06-20 5:02 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-06-20 5:19 ` Herbert Xu
2016-06-20 15:01 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-06-20 15:49 ` Stephan Mueller
2016-06-20 18:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-06-20 23:48 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-06-26 18:47 ` Pavel Machek
2016-06-26 19:10 ` Stephan Mueller
2016-06-26 22:51 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-06-13 15:48 ` [PATCH 6/7] random: make /dev/urandom scalable for silly userspace programs Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-21 9:53 ` Jan Varho
2016-08-21 11:36 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-06-13 15:48 ` [PATCH 7/7] random: add backtracking protection to the CRNG Theodore Ts'o
2016-06-26 18:47 ` Pavel Machek
2016-06-26 23:05 ` Theodore Ts'o
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