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From: Alex Shi <alex.shi@intel.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	namhyung@kernel.org, Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 09/22] sched: compute runnable load avg in cpu_load and cpu_avg_load_per_task
Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 22:27:05 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50EC2CB9.5090707@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFxbS-u1Zfwg2oKOmHq6FBF+dRRhrdssqc9PpC_gXoV3+g@mail.gmail.com>

On 01/07/2013 02:31 AM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Alex Shi <alex.shi@intel.com> wrote:
>>
>> I just looked into the aim9 benchmark, in this case it forks 2000 tasks,
>> after all tasks ready, aim9 give a signal than all tasks burst waking up
>> and run until all finished.
>> Since each of tasks are finished very quickly, a imbalanced empty cpu
>> may goes to sleep till a regular balancing give it some new tasks. That
>> causes the performance dropping. cause more idle entering.
> 
> Sounds like for AIM (and possibly for other really bursty loads), we
> might want to do some load-balancing at wakeup time by *just* looking
> at the number of running tasks, rather than at the load average. Hmm?

Millions thanks for your suggestions! :)

It's worth to try use instant load -- nr_running in waking balancing, I
will try this. but in this case, I tried to print sleeping tasks by
print_task() in sched/debug.c. Find the 2000 tasks were forked on just 2
LCPUs which in different cpu sockets whenever with/without this load avg
patch.

So, I am wondering if it's worth to consider the sleeping tasks' load in
fork/wake balancing. Does anyone consider this in history?

===
print_task(struct seq_file *m, struct rq *rq, struct task_struct *p)
 {
        if (rq->curr == p)
                SEQ_printf(m, "R");
+       else if (!p->on_rq)
+               SEQ_printf(m, "S");
        else
                SEQ_printf(m, " ");
...
@@ -166,13 +170,14 @@ static void print_rq(struct seq_file *m, struct rq
*rq, int rq_cpu)
        read_lock_irqsave(&tasklist_lock, flags);

        do_each_thread(g, p) {
-               if (!p->on_rq || task_cpu(p) != rq_cpu)
+               if (task_cpu(p) != rq_cpu)
                        continue;
===

> 
> The load average is fundamentally always going to run behind a bit,
> and while you want to use it for long-term balancing, a short-term you
> might want to do just a "if we have a huge amount of runnable
> processes, do a load balancing *now*". Where "huge amount" should
> probably be relative to the long-term load balancing (ie comparing the
> number of runnable processes on this CPU right *now* with the load
> average over the last second or so would show a clear spike, and a
> reason for quick action).

Many thanks for suggestion!
Will try it. :)
> 
>            Linus
> 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-01-08 14:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-01-05  8:37 [PATCH V3 0/22] sched: simplified fork, enable load average into LB and power awareness scheduling Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 01/22] sched: set SD_PREFER_SIBLING on MC domain to reduce a domain level Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 02/22] sched: select_task_rq_fair clean up Alex Shi
2013-01-11  4:57   ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 03/22] sched: fix find_idlest_group mess logical Alex Shi
2013-01-11  4:59   ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 04/22] sched: don't need go to smaller sched domain Alex Shi
2013-01-09 17:38   ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-10  3:16     ` Mike Galbraith
2013-01-11  5:02   ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 05/22] sched: remove domain iterations in fork/exec/wake Alex Shi
2013-01-09 18:21   ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-11  2:46     ` Alex Shi
2013-01-11 10:07       ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-11 14:50         ` Alex Shi
2013-01-14  8:55         ` li guang
2013-01-14  9:18           ` Alex Shi
2013-01-11  4:56     ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-01-11  8:01       ` li guang
2013-01-11 14:56         ` Alex Shi
2013-01-14  9:03           ` li guang
2013-01-15  2:34             ` Alex Shi
2013-01-16  1:54               ` li guang
2013-01-11 10:54       ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-16  5:43       ` Alex Shi
2013-01-16  7:41         ` Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 06/22] sched: load tracking bug fix Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 07/22] sched: set initial load avg of new forked task Alex Shi
2013-01-11  5:10   ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-01-11  5:44     ` Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 08/22] sched: update cpu load after task_tick Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 09/22] sched: compute runnable load avg in cpu_load and cpu_avg_load_per_task Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:56   ` Alex Shi
2013-01-06  7:54     ` Alex Shi
2013-01-06 18:31       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-01-07  7:00         ` Preeti U Murthy
2013-01-08 14:27         ` Alex Shi [this message]
2013-01-11  6:31         ` Alex Shi
2013-01-21 14:47           ` Alex Shi
2013-01-22  3:20             ` Alex Shi
2013-01-22  6:55               ` Mike Galbraith
2013-01-22  7:50                 ` Alex Shi
2013-01-22  9:52                   ` Mike Galbraith
2013-01-23  0:36                     ` Alex Shi
2013-01-23  1:47                       ` Mike Galbraith
2013-01-23  2:01                         ` Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 10/22] sched: consider runnable load average in move_tasks Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 11/22] sched: consider runnable load average in effective_load Alex Shi
2013-01-10 11:28   ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-11  3:26     ` Alex Shi
2013-01-14 12:01       ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-16  5:30         ` Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 12/22] Revert "sched: Introduce temporary FAIR_GROUP_SCHED dependency for load-tracking" Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 13/22] sched: add sched_policy in kernel Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 14/22] sched: add sched_policy and it's sysfs interface Alex Shi
2013-01-14  6:53   ` Namhyung Kim
2013-01-14  8:11     ` Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 15/22] sched: log the cpu utilization at rq Alex Shi
2013-01-10 11:40   ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-11  3:30     ` Alex Shi
2013-01-14 13:59       ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-16  5:53         ` Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 16/22] sched: add power aware scheduling in fork/exec/wake Alex Shi
2013-01-10 15:01   ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-11  7:08     ` Alex Shi
2013-01-14 16:09       ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-16  6:02         ` Alex Shi
2013-01-16 14:27           ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-17  5:47             ` Namhyung Kim
2013-01-18 13:41               ` Alex Shi
2013-01-14  7:03   ` Namhyung Kim
2013-01-14  8:30     ` Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 17/22] sched: packing small tasks in wake/exec balancing Alex Shi
2013-01-10 17:17   ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-11  3:47     ` Alex Shi
2013-01-14  7:13       ` Namhyung Kim
2013-01-16  6:11         ` Alex Shi
2013-01-16 12:52           ` Namhyung Kim
2013-01-14 17:00       ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-16  7:32         ` Alex Shi
2013-01-16 15:08           ` Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-18 14:06             ` Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 18/22] sched: add power/performance balance allowed flag Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 19/22] sched: pull all tasks from source group Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 20/22] sched: don't care if the local group has capacity Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 21/22] sched: power aware load balance, Alex Shi
2013-01-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v3 22/22] sched: lazy powersaving balance Alex Shi
2013-01-14  8:39   ` Namhyung Kim
2013-01-14  8:45     ` Alex Shi
2013-01-09 17:16 ` [PATCH V3 0/22] sched: simplified fork, enable load average into LB and power awareness scheduling Morten Rasmussen
2013-01-10  3:49   ` Alex Shi

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