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From: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Steffen Eiden <seiden@linux.ibm.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 23/23] KVM: s390: arm64: Add KVM_S390_ARM64 Kconfig and Makefile
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 13:07:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51286424-e802-4ea9-b958-925fee8025ed@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <apmhX8H-WUc3U4_N@google.com>



Am 03.09.26 um 18:33 schrieb Sean Christopherson:
> On Thu, Sep 03, 2026, Steffen Eiden wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 03, 2026 at 07:43:58AM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
>>> And FWIW, while it might seem daunting, from my perspective it's not actually that
>>> much churn to do things "right".  Provide KVM_S390_NATIVE, and then have KVM reflect
>>> the "weakest" of S390_NATIVE vs. S390_ARCH.  I.e. make KVM=m if either of the "real"
>>> KVMs will be a module.  That requires some creative shenanigans, but it's not hard,
>>> just weird.
>>
>> FYI the first versions of this series had a 3 configs approach very
>> similar to yours.
>>
>> IIRC it was not so much the churn we have in (upstream) kernel code but
>> more on the distro side and to everyone building the kernel in their
>> favourite architecture (s390 :))
> 
> How many people are running distro kernels on s390 hardware?  And how many distros
> actually change the default KVM settings, e.g. to build KVM as a module instead of
> baking it into the kernel?  My guess is "not many" and "almost none", i.e. the
> actual impact on downstream users is likely miniscule.
> 
>> Suddenly the KVM config changed its behaviour (effectively becoming a noop)
> 
> Not really, because "KVM" itself is inaccessible (well, unless someone is hand-
> editing .configs or generating them by script, but that's their own fault).
> E.g. upgrading to a new kernel will explicitly prompt the user to choose for both
> KVM_S390_NATIVE and KVM_S390_ARM64 (or whatever they get called).
> 
>> I am starting to think that having no separate config option for arm on
>> s390 might be the easisest way. Just KVM and guard both modules behind
>> it. It reduces the config space bloat and I do not see a reason why somoeone
>> should only compile one KVM module but not the other. kvm-arm64 won't
>> load if you do not have the hardware anyways.
> 
> Because there may be an unforseen need down the road?  Smushing things together
> after the fact is generally easy, pulling things apart without breaking everything
> is usually much, much harder.
> 
>> But I am not opposed to the x86 approach. Just thinking loud.
>>
>> Anyways, I am off for vacation expect a reduced reply frequency from my
>> side :)
Yet another option
I think there is value in keeping the config space simpte for users.
Why not simply keep CONFIG_KVM and it will disable, module build, compile-in
both variants.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-09-17 11:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-31 14:47 [PATCH v7 00/23] KVM: s390: Introduce arm64 KVM Steffen Eiden
2026-08-31 14:47 ` [PATCH v7 01/23] vfio: Use file-based reference counting for KVM Steffen Eiden
2026-08-31 14:47 ` [PATCH v7 02/23] KVM: Make device name configurable Steffen Eiden
2026-09-02  0:40   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-02  7:50     ` Steffen Eiden
2026-09-02 16:14       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-03 11:42         ` Steffen Eiden
2026-09-03 14:30           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-03 14:32             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-03 14:45               ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-03 14:55                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-09-03 15:54                   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-03 19:13                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-09-03 20:58                       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-15 15:12                         ` Steffen Eiden
2026-09-03 15:48           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-31 14:47 ` [PATCH v7 03/23] KVM: Allow KVM implementations to switch off MMIO independent of Kconfig Steffen Eiden
2026-09-02  0:38   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-02  8:22     ` Steffen Eiden
2026-09-02  8:30     ` Marc Zyngier
2026-09-02  9:13       ` Steffen Eiden
2026-09-02 13:00         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-02 15:50           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-31 14:47 ` [PATCH v7 04/23] arm64: Use proper include variant Steffen Eiden
2026-08-31 14:47 ` [PATCH v7 05/23] arm64: ptrace: Use constants for compat register numbers Steffen Eiden
2026-08-31 14:47 ` [PATCH v7 06/23] arm64: sysreg: Convert SPSR_ELx to automatic register generation Steffen Eiden
2026-08-31 14:47 ` [PATCH v7 07/23] KVM: arm64: Access elements of vcpu_gp_regs individually Steffen Eiden
2026-08-31 14:47 ` [PATCH v7 08/23] KVM: arm64: Use accessor functions for core regs Steffen Eiden
2026-08-31 14:47 ` [PATCH v7 09/23] arm64: Prepare sharing arm64 headers with s390 Steffen Eiden
2026-08-31 14:47 ` [PATCH v7 10/23] arm64: Share " Steffen Eiden
2026-08-31 14:47 ` [PATCH v7 11/23] KVM: arm64: Share arm64 code " Steffen Eiden
2026-09-01  8:13   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-09-01  8:40     ` Steffen Eiden
2026-09-02  7:41       ` Marc Zyngier
2026-09-02 12:41         ` Steffen Eiden
2026-09-12 11:43           ` Marc Zyngier
2026-09-15 15:17             ` Steffen Eiden
2026-08-31 14:47 ` [PATCH v7 12/23] s390/tools: Use arm64 headers Steffen Eiden
2026-08-31 14:47 ` [PATCH v7 13/23] KVM: s390: Use arm64 code Steffen Eiden
2026-08-31 14:47 ` [PATCH v7 14/23] KVM: s390: Prepare KVM/s390 for a second KVM module Steffen Eiden
2026-08-31 14:47 ` [PATCH v7 15/23] s390: Introduce Start Arm Execution instruction Steffen Eiden
2026-08-31 14:47 ` [PATCH v7 16/23] KVM: s390: arm64: Introduce host definitions Steffen Eiden
2026-08-31 14:47 ` [PATCH v7 17/23] s390/hwcaps: Report SAE support as hwcap Steffen Eiden
2026-08-31 14:47 ` [PATCH v7 18/23] KVM: s390: Add basic arm64 kvm module Steffen Eiden
2026-08-31 14:47 ` [PATCH v7 19/23] KVM: s390: arm64: Implement required functions Steffen Eiden
2026-08-31 14:47 ` [PATCH v7 20/23] KVM: s390: arm64: Implement vm/vcpu create destroy Steffen Eiden
2026-08-31 14:47 ` [PATCH v7 21/23] KVM: s390: arm64: Implement vCPU IOCTLs Steffen Eiden
2026-09-03 13:27   ` Janosch Frank
2026-09-16 15:00     ` Steffen Eiden
2026-08-31 14:47 ` [PATCH v7 22/23] KVM: s390: arm64: Implement basic page fault handler Steffen Eiden
2026-08-31 14:48 ` [PATCH v7 23/23] KVM: s390: arm64: Add KVM_S390_ARM64 Kconfig and Makefile Steffen Eiden
2026-09-02 16:20   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-03  8:38     ` Steffen Eiden
2026-09-03 14:43       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-03 15:43         ` Steffen Eiden
2026-09-03 16:33           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-03 16:41             ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-09-17 11:07             ` Christian Borntraeger [this message]
2026-09-17 11:41               ` Steffen Eiden

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