From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <bitbucket@online.de>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Re-tune x86 uaccess code for PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 10:18:11 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <520675D3.7030703@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFyB5E+Keupjz4trfMcNawUKVzQV8DF5aS_VsPiw3FaT_Q@mail.gmail.com>
On 08/10/2013 09:43 AM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 9:09 AM, H. Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com> wrote:
>>
>> Do you have any quantification of "munches throughput?" It seems odd
>> that it would be worse than polling for preempt all over the kernel, but
>> perhaps the additional locking is what costs.
>
> Actually, the big thing for true preemption is not so much the preempt
> count itself, but the fact that when the preempt count goes back to
> zero we have that "check if we should have been preempted" thing.
>
> And in particular, the conditional function call that goes along with it.
>
> The thing is, even if that is almost never taken, just the fact that
> there is a conditional function call very often makes code generation
> *much* worse. A function that is a leaf function with no stack frame
> with no preemption often turns into a non-leaf function with stackcheck
> frames when you enable preemption, just because it had a RCU read
> region which disabled preemption.
>
> It's similar to the kind of code generation issue that Andi's patches
> are trying to work on.
>
> Andi did the "test and jump to a different section to call the
> scheduler with registers saved" as an assembly stub in one of his
> patches in this series exactly to avoid the cost of this for the
> might_sleep() case, and generated that GET_THREAD_AND_SCHEDULE asm
> macro for it. But look at that asm macro, and compare it to
> "preempt_check_resched()"..
>
> I have often wanted to have access to that kind of thing from C code.
> It's not unusual. Think lock failure paths, not Tom Jones.
>
Hmm... if that is really the big issue then I'm wondering if
preempt_enable() &c shouldn't be rewritten in assembly... if nothing
else to get the outbound call out of view of the C compiler; it could
even be turned into an exception instruction.
There are a few other things that one have to wonder about: the
preempt_count is currently located in the thread_info structure, but
since by definition we can't switch a thread that is preemption-locked
it should work in a percpu variable as well.
We could then play a really ugly stunt by marking NEED_RESCHED by adding
0x7fffffff to the counter. Then the whole sequence becomes something like:
subl $1,%fs:preempt_count
jno 1f
call __naked_preempt_schedule /* Or a trap */
1:
For architectures with conditional traps the trapping option becomes
even more attractive.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-08-10 17:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-08-09 23:04 Andi Kleen
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 01/13] x86: Add 1/2/4/8 byte optimization to 64bit __copy_{from,to}_user_inatomic Andi Kleen
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 02/13] x86: Include linux/sched.h in asm/uaccess.h Andi Kleen
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 03/13] tree-sweep: Include linux/sched.h for might_sleep users Andi Kleen
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 04/13] Move might_sleep and friends from kernel.h to sched.h Andi Kleen
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 05/13] sched: mark should_resched() __always_inline Andi Kleen
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 06/13] x86: Add 32bit versions of SAVE_ALL/RESTORE_ALL to calling.h Andi Kleen
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 07/13] Add might_fault_debug_only() Andi Kleen
2013-08-14 18:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 08/13] x86: Move cond_resched into the out of line put_user code Andi Kleen
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 09/13] x86: Move cond_resched into the out of line get_user code Andi Kleen
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 10/13] x86: Move cond resched for copy_{from,to}_user into low level code 64bit Andi Kleen
2013-08-10 15:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-08-10 16:10 ` Andi Kleen
2013-08-10 16:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-08-10 18:23 ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-10 19:05 ` Jörn Engel
2013-08-20 21:03 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-08-15 5:04 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 11/13] sched: Inline the need_resched test into the caller for _cond_resched Andi Kleen
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 12/13] x86: move __copy_*_nocache might fault check out of line Andi Kleen
2013-08-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 13/13] x86: drop cond rescheds from __copy_{from,to}_user Andi Kleen
2013-08-10 4:42 ` Re-tune x86 uaccess code for PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-10 5:55 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-08-10 16:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-10 16:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-08-10 17:18 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2013-08-10 18:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-08-10 19:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-10 20:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-10 23:00 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-11 4:17 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-08-11 4:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-11 4:36 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-08-11 4:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-11 5:58 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-08-13 18:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-13 18:12 ` Andi Kleen
2013-08-14 18:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-14 22:08 ` Andi Kleen
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