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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Mike Galbraith <bitbucket@online.de>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] per-cpu preempt_count
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:44:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5209494B.4050209@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFw=S4xxdkKpjQdg77CehBBW6S-13N6-7tq4=-nN_cCUKA@mail.gmail.com>

On 08/12/2013 12:00 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> Wrong. The thing is, the common case for preempt is to increment and
> decrement the count, not testing it. Exactly because we do this for
> spinlocks and for rcu read-locked regions.
> 
> Now, what we *could* do is to say:
> 
>  - we will use the high bit of the preempt count for NEED_RESCHED
> 
>  - when we set/clear that high bit, we *always* use atomic sequences,
> and we never change any of the other bits.
> 
>  - we will increment/decrement the other counters, we *only* do so on
> the local CPU, and we don't use atomic accesses.
> 
> Now, the downside of that is that *because* we don't use atomic
> accesses for the inc/dec parts, the updates to the high bit can get
> lost. But because the high bit updates are done with atomics, we know
> that they won't mess up the actual counting bits, so at least the
> count is never corrupted.
> 
> And the NEED_RESCHED bit getting lost would be very unusual. That
> clearly would *not* be acceptable for RT, but it it might be
> acceptable for "in the unusual case where we want to preempt a thread
> that was not preemtible, *and* we ended up having the extra unsual
> case that preemption enable ended up missing the preempt bit, we don't
> get preempted in a timely manner". It's probably impossible to ever
> see in practice, and considering that for non-RT use the PREEMPT bit
> is a "strong hint" rather than anything else, it sounds like it might
> be acceptable.
> 
> It is obviously *not* going to be acceptable for the RT people,
> though, but since they do different code sequences _anyway_, that's
> not really much of an issue.
> 

This seems more pain than need be if checking the count in the slow path
is okay.

	-hpa



  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-12 20:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-12 11:51 Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-12 17:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-08-12 17:51   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-12 18:53     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-08-13  8:39       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-12 17:58   ` Ingo Molnar
2013-08-12 19:00     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-08-12 20:44       ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2013-08-13 10:30       ` Ingo Molnar
2013-08-13 12:26         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-13 15:39           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-08-13 15:56             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-08-13 16:26               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-13 16:28               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-13 16:29             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-13 16:38               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-08-18 17:57   ` Paul E. McKenney

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