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From: "Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao" <fernando_b1@lab.ntt.co.jp>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] nohz: Synchronize sleep time stats with seqlock
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:59:36 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <521313D8.9080500@lab.ntt.co.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130819111026.GE24092@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

(2013年08月19日 20:10), Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 06:46:28PM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
>
> Option A:
>
>> Should we flush that iowait to the src CPU? But then it means we must handle
>> concurrent updates to iowait_sleeptime, idle_sleeptime from the migration
>> code and from idle enter / exit.
>>
>> So I fear we need a seqlock.
> Option B:
>
>> Or we can live with that and still account the whole idle time slept until
>> tick_nohz_stop_idle() to iowait if we called tick_nohz_start_idle() with nr_iowait > 0.
>> All we need is just a new field in ts-> that records on which state we entered
>> idle.
>>
>> What do you think?
> I think option B is unworkable. Afaict it could basically caused
> unlimited iowait time. Suppose we have a load-balancer that tries it
> bestestest to sort-left (ie. run a task on the lowest 'free' cpu
> possible) -- the power aware folks are pondering such schemes.
>
> Now suppose we have a small burst of activity and the rightmost cpu gets
> to run something that goes to sleep on iowait.
>
> We'd accrue iowait on that cpu until it wakes up, which could be days
> from now if the load stays low enough, even though the task got to run
> almost instantly on another cpu.
>
> So no, if we need per-cpu iowait time we have to do A.
>
> Since we already have atomics in the io_schedule*() paths, please
> replace those with (seq)locks. Also see if you can place the entire
> iowait accounting thing in a separate cacheline.

I considered option A for a while but, fearing it would be
considered overkill, took a different approach: create a
shadow copy of ->iowait_sleeptime that is always kept
monotonic (artificially in some cases) and use that to
compute the values exported through /proc.

That said, if deemed acceptable, option A is the one I would
choose.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-08-20  7:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-16 15:42 [PATCH RESEND 0/4] nohz: Fix racy sleeptime stats Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-16 15:42 ` [PATCH 1/4] nohz: Only update sleeptime stats locally Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-18 16:49   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-18 21:38     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-18 17:04   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-19 18:05     ` Stratos Karafotis
2013-08-16 15:42 ` [PATCH 2/4] nohz: Synchronize sleep time stats with seqlock Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-16 16:02   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-16 16:20     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-16 16:26       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-16 16:46         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-16 16:49           ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-16 17:12             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-18 16:36               ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-18 21:25                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-19 10:58               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-19 15:44                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-08-19 15:47                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-08-19 11:10           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-19 11:15             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-20  6:59             ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao [this message]
2013-08-20  8:44               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-20 15:29                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-20 15:33                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-08-20 15:35                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-20 15:41                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-08-20 15:31                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-08-20 16:01                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-20 16:33                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-20 17:54                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-20 18:25                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-21  8:31                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-21 11:35                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-21 12:33                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-21 14:23                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-21 16:41                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-01 14:05                                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-10-01 14:26                                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-10-01 14:27                                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-10-01 14:49                                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-10-01 15:00                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-01 15:21                                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-10-01 15:56                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-01 16:47                                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-10-01 16:59                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-02 12:45                                             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-10-02 12:50                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-02 14:35                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-10-02 16:01                                                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-21 12:48                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-21 17:09                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-21 18:31                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-21 18:32                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-20 22:18                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-21 11:49                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-20  6:21           ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2013-08-20 21:55             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-16 16:32     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-16 16:33       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-16 16:49         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-16 16:37       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-18 16:54   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-18 21:40     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-16 15:42 ` [PATCH 3/4] nohz: Consolidate sleep time stats read code Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-18 17:00   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-18 21:47     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-16 15:42 ` [PATCH 4/4] nohz: Convert a few places to use local per cpu accesses Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-16 16:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-16 16:12     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-16 16:19     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-16 16:34       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-20 18:15 ` [PATCH RESEND 0/4] nohz: Fix racy sleeptime stats Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-21  8:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-08-21 11:42     ` Oleg Nesterov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-05-07 13:41 [PATCH 1/4] nohz: Only update sleeptime stats locally Denys Vlasenko
2014-05-07 13:41 ` [PATCH 2/4] nohz: Synchronize sleep time stats with seqlock Denys Vlasenko
2014-04-24 18:45 [PATCH 1/4] nohz: Only update sleeptime stats locally Denys Vlasenko
2014-04-24 18:45 ` [PATCH 2/4] nohz: Synchronize sleep time stats with seqlock Denys Vlasenko
2013-08-09  0:54 [PATCH 0/4] nohz: Fix racy sleeptime stats Frederic Weisbecker
2013-08-09  0:54 ` [PATCH 2/4] nohz: Synchronize sleep time stats with seqlock Frederic Weisbecker

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