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From: Frank Rowand <frowand.list@gmail.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Chuck Ebbert <cebbert.lkml@gmail.com>,
	Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah.kh@samsung.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] init: Disable defaults if init= fails
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 17:41:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <542B4DA3.5080105@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5c6381879bea68aebb13530442f1cf8a052be97f.1411958379.git.luto@amacapital.net>

The earliest mention I find of this on lkml is v4.  Was there earlier
discussion of this elsewhere?  (Just so I have a clue as to the full
context and don't repeat previous discussion.)  The mention of names
in the change logs tells me I should be able to find the discussion
somewhere.


On 9/28/2014 7:40 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> If a user puts init=/whatever on the command line and /whatever
> can't be run, then the kernel will try a few default options before
> giving up.  If init=/whatever came from a bootloader prompt, then
> this is unexpected but probably harmless.  On the other hand, if it
> comes from a script (e.g. a tool like virtme or perhaps a future
> kselftest script), then the fallbacks are likely to exist, but
> they'll do the wrong thing.  For example, they might unexpectedly
> invoke systemd.
> 
> This makes a failure to run the specified init= process be fatal.
> 
> As a temporary measure, users can set CONFIG_INIT_FALLBACK=y to
> preserve the old behavior.  If no one speaks up, we can remove that
> option entirely after a release or two.

I'm speaking up already, no need to wait two releases.  I like the
current behavior where I can fall back into a shell without
recompiling the kernel and/or changing the boot command line to
debug an init failure.

I would suggest that the current behavior remain the
default and the choice to make a failure of the specified
init= process fatal should be an explicit choice.

Instead of using a config option, would adding another kernel
command line option, such as 'init_fail_is_fatal', work for
your needs?  I have a feeling this has already been proposed,
as the 'strictinit' option mentioned in the changes from v3
below might be the same concept?

Thanks,

Frank

> 
> Signed-off-by: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
> ---
> 
> Changes from v4:
>  - Update the panic message (sorry for the noise)
> 
> Changes from v3:
>  - Get rid of the strictinit option.  Now the new behavior is the default
>    unless CONFIG_INIT_FALLBACK=y (Rob Landley)
> 
> Changes from v2:
>  - Improve docs further, to leave the door open to giving strictinit
>    some sensible semantics if init= is not set.
>  - Improve error output in the failure case (Shuah Khan).
> 
> Changes from v1:
>  - Add missing "if" to the docs (Randy Dunlap)
> 
>  init/Kconfig | 11 +++++++++++
>  init/main.c  |  7 ++++++-
>  2 files changed, 17 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> 
> diff --git a/init/Kconfig b/init/Kconfig
> index e84c6423a2e5..063029a1556f 100644
> --- a/init/Kconfig
> +++ b/init/Kconfig
> @@ -1299,6 +1299,17 @@ source "usr/Kconfig"
>  
>  endif
>  
> +config INIT_FALLBACK
> +	bool "Fall back to defaults if init= parameter is bad"
> +	help
> +	  If enabled, the kernel will try the default init binaries if an
> +	  explicit request from the init= parameter fails.
> +
> +	  This is a temporary measure to allow broken configurations
> +	  to continue to boot.
> +
> +	  If unsure, say N.
> +
>  config CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE
>  	bool "Optimize for size"
>  	help
> diff --git a/init/main.c b/init/main.c
> index bb1aed928f21..2bd6105e5dc5 100644
> --- a/init/main.c
> +++ b/init/main.c
> @@ -960,8 +960,13 @@ static int __ref kernel_init(void *unused)
>  		ret = run_init_process(execute_command);
>  		if (!ret)
>  			return 0;
> +#ifndef CONFIG_INIT_FALLBACK
> +		panic("Requested init %s failed (error %d).",
> +		      execute_command, ret);
> +#else
>  		pr_err("Failed to execute %s (error %d).  Attempting defaults...\n",
> -			execute_command, ret);
> +		       execute_command, ret);
> +#endif
>  	}
>  	if (!try_to_run_init_process("/sbin/init") ||
>  	    !try_to_run_init_process("/etc/init") ||
> 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-10-01  0:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-29  2:40 Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-30 12:12 ` Chuck Ebbert
2014-10-01  0:41 ` Frank Rowand [this message]
2014-10-01  0:58   ` Rob Landley
2014-10-01  1:52     ` Frank Rowand
2014-10-01  3:16       ` Rob Landley
2014-10-01  4:53         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-01 18:05           ` josh
2014-10-01 18:13             ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-01 22:42               ` josh
2014-10-14 21:00               ` Andrew Morton
2014-10-14 21:21                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-15  5:46                   ` Frank Rowand
2014-10-15  5:56                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-15  6:37                       ` Frank Rowand
2014-10-15 15:18                 ` Rob Landley
2014-10-20 20:14                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-20 21:01                   ` Josh Triplett
2014-10-20 21:28                     ` Andrew Morton
2014-10-20 21:34                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-20 21:41                         ` Andrew Morton
2014-10-20 21:42                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-20 21:44                             ` Andrew Morton
2014-10-20 22:04                               ` [PATCH] init: Remove CONFIG_INIT_FALLBACK Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-20 22:06                                 ` josh
2014-10-21  3:45                                 ` Rob Landley
2014-10-21  4:02                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-21  4:15                                     ` Rob Landley
2014-10-21  9:53                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-10-21 10:05                                   ` Josh Triplett
2014-10-14  0:47 ` [PATCH v5] init: Disable defaults if init= fails Rusty Russell

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