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From: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
To: Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: <vschneid@redhat.com>, <iii@linux.ibm.com>,
	<huschle@linux.ibm.com>, <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	<dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>, <vineeth@bitbyteword.org>,
	<jgross@suse.com>, <pbonzini@redhat.com>, <seanjc@google.com>,
	<mingo@redhat.com>, <peterz@infradead.org>,
	<juri.lelli@redhat.com>, <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	<tglx@linutronix.de>, <yury.norov@gmail.com>,
	<maddy@linux.ibm.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>, <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 07/10] sched/core: Push current task from paravirt CPU
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2025 22:36:18 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5493a681-4438-4854-9cf4-c1e71ad2dbed@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1617b0fb-273a-4d86-8247-c67968c07b3b@linux.ibm.com>

Hello Shrikanth,

On 9/11/2025 10:22 PM, Shrikanth Hegde wrote:
>>> +    if (is_cpu_paravirt(cpu))
>>> +        push_current_from_paravirt_cpu(rq);
>>
>> Does this mean paravirt CPU is capable of handling an interrupt but may
>> not be continuously available to run a task?
> 
> When i run hackbench which involves fair bit of IRQ stuff, it moves out.
> 
> For example,
> 
> echo 600-710 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/paravirt
> 
> 11:31:54 AM  CPU    %usr   %nice    %sys %iowait    %irq   %soft  %steal  %guest  %gnice   %idle
> 11:31:57 AM  598    2.04    0.00   77.55    0.00   18.37    0.00    1.02    0.00    0.00    1.02
> 11:31:57 AM  599    1.01    0.00   79.80    0.00   17.17    0.00    1.01    0.00    0.00    1.01
> 11:31:57 AM  600    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.99    0.00    0.00   99.01
> 11:31:57 AM  601    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00  100.00
> 11:31:57 AM  602    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00  100.00
> 
> 
> There could some workloads which doesn't move irq's out, for which needs irqbalance change.
> Looking into it.
> 
>  Or is the VMM expected to set
>> the CPU on the paravirt mask and give the vCPU sufficient time to move the
>> task before yanking it away from the pCPU?
>>
> 
> If the vCPU is running something, it is going to run at some point on pCPU.
> hypervisor will give the cycles to this vCPU by preempting some other vCPU.
> 
> It is that using this infra, there is should be nothing on that paravirt vCPU.
> That way collectively VMM gets only limited request for pCPU which it can satify
> without vCPU preemption.

Ack! Just wanted to understand the usage.

P.S. I remember discussions during last LPC where we could communicate
this unavailability via CPU capacity. Was that problematic for some
reason? Sorry if I didn't follow this discussion earlier.

[..snip..]
>>> +    local_irq_save(flags);
>>> +    preempt_disable();
>>
>> Disabling IRQs implies preemption is disabled.
>>
> 
> Most of the places stop_one_cpu_nowait called with preemption & irq disabled.
> stopper runs at the next possible opportunity.

But is there any reason to do both local_irq_save() and
preempt_disable()? include/linux/preempt.h defines preemptible() as:

    #define preemptible()   (preempt_count() == 0 && !irqs_disabled())

so disabling IRQs should be sufficient right or am I missing something?

> 
> stop_one_cpu_nowait
>  ->queues the task into stopper list
>     -> wake_up_process(stopper)
>        -> set need_resched
>          -> stopper runs as early as possible.
>         
-- 
Thanks and Regards,
Prateek


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-11 17:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-10 17:42 [RFC PATCH v3 00/10] paravirt CPUs and push task for less vCPU preemption Shrikanth Hegde
2025-09-10 17:42 ` [RFC PATCH v3 01/10] sched/docs: Document cpu_paravirt_mask and Paravirt CPU concept Shrikanth Hegde
2025-09-10 17:42 ` [RFC PATCH v3 02/10] cpumask: Introduce cpu_paravirt_mask Shrikanth Hegde
2025-09-10 17:42 ` [RFC PATCH v3 03/10] sched: Static key to check paravirt cpu push Shrikanth Hegde
2025-09-11  1:53   ` Yury Norov
2025-09-11 14:37     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-09-11 15:29       ` Yury Norov
2025-09-10 17:42 ` [RFC PATCH v3 04/10] sched/core: Dont allow to use CPU marked as paravirt Shrikanth Hegde
2025-09-11  5:16   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-11 14:44     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-09-10 17:42 ` [RFC PATCH v3 05/10] sched/fair: Don't consider paravirt CPUs for wakeup and load balance Shrikanth Hegde
2025-09-11  5:23   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-11 15:56     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-09-11 16:55       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-11-08 12:04     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-09-10 17:42 ` [RFC PATCH v3 06/10] sched/rt: Don't select paravirt CPU for wakeup and push/pull rt task Shrikanth Hegde
2025-09-10 17:42 ` [RFC PATCH v3 07/10] sched/core: Push current task from paravirt CPU Shrikanth Hegde
2025-09-11  5:40   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-11 16:52     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-09-11 17:06       ` K Prateek Nayak [this message]
2025-09-12  5:22         ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-09-12  8:48           ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-12 12:49             ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-11-10  4:54     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-09-10 17:42 ` [RFC PATCH v3 08/10] sysfs: Add paravirt CPU file Shrikanth Hegde
2025-09-10 17:42 ` [RFC PATCH v3 09/10] powerpc: Add debug file for set/unset paravirt CPUs Shrikanth Hegde
2025-09-10 17:42 ` [HELPER PATCH] sysfs: Provide write method for paravirt Shrikanth Hegde
2025-10-20 14:32 ` [RFC PATCH v3 00/10] paravirt CPUs and push task for less vCPU preemption Sean Christopherson
2025-10-20 15:05   ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-10-23  4:03     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-10-21  6:10   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-10-22 18:46     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-30 17:43       ` Shrikanth Hegde

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