From: Beata Michalska <b.michalska@samsung.com>
To: John Spray <john.spray@redhat.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tytso@mit.edu,
adilger.kernel@dilger.ca, hughd@google.com, lczerner@redhat.com,
hch@infradead.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, kyungmin.park@samsung.com,
kmpark@infradead.org,
Linux Filesystem Mailing List <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-api@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/4] fs: Add generic file system event notifications
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 18:25:37 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <55313401.5080008@samsung.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55312FEA.3030905@redhat.com>
On 04/17/2015 06:08 PM, John Spray wrote:
>
> On 17/04/2015 16:43, Jan Kara wrote:
>> On Fri 17-04-15 15:51:14, John Spray wrote:
>>> On 17/04/2015 14:23, Austin S Hemmelgarn wrote:
>>>
>>>> For some filesystems, it may make sense to differentiate between a
>>>> generic warning and an error. For BTRFS and ZFS for example, if
>>>> there is a csum error on a block, this will get automatically
>>>> corrected in many configurations, and won't require anything like
>>>> fsck to be run, but monitoring applications will still probably
>>>> want to be notified.
>>> Another key differentiation IMHO is between transient errors (like
>>> server is unavailable in a distributed filesystem) that will block
>>> the filesystem but might clear on their own, vs. permanent errors
>>> like unreadable drives that definitely will not clear until the
>>> administrator takes some action. It's usually a reasonable
>>> approximation to call transient issues warnings, and permanent
>>> issues errors.
>> So you can have events like FS_UNAVAILABLE and FS_AVAILABLE but what use
>> would this have? I wouldn't like the interface to be dumping ground for
>> random crap - we have dmesg for that :).
> In that case I'm confused -- why would ENOSPC be an appropriate use of this interface if the mount being entirely blocked would be inappropriate? Isn't being unable to service any I/O a more fundamental and severe thing than being up and healthy but full?
>
> Were you intending the interface to be exclusively for data integrity issues like checksum failures, rather than more general events about a mount that userspace would probably like to know about?
>
> John
>
I think we should support both and leave the decision on what
is to be reported or not to particular file systems keeping it
to a reasonable extent, of course. The interface should hand it over
to user space - acting as a go-between. I would though avoid
any filesystem specific events (when it comes to specifying those),
keeping it as generic as possible.
BR
Beata
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-04-17 16:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-04-15 7:15 [RFC 0/4] Generic file system events interface Beata Michalska
2015-04-15 7:15 ` [RFC 1/4] fs: Add generic file system event notifications Beata Michalska
2015-04-15 19:25 ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-04-16 8:22 ` Beata Michalska
2015-04-17 8:48 ` Jan Kara
2015-04-16 3:46 ` Eric Sandeen
2015-04-16 8:41 ` Beata Michalska
2015-04-16 20:10 ` Hugh Dickins
2015-04-17 9:10 ` Beata Michalska
2015-04-16 21:56 ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2015-04-17 9:46 ` Beata Michalska
2015-04-17 11:58 ` Jan Kara
2015-04-17 11:31 ` Jan Kara
2015-04-17 13:04 ` Beata Michalska
2015-04-17 13:15 ` Beata Michalska
2015-04-17 13:16 ` Jan Kara
2015-04-17 13:23 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-17 13:41 ` Jan Kara
2015-04-17 14:51 ` John Spray
2015-04-17 15:43 ` Jan Kara
2015-04-17 16:08 ` John Spray
2015-04-17 16:22 ` Jan Kara
2015-04-17 16:29 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-17 16:39 ` Jan Kara
2015-04-17 17:37 ` John Spray
2015-04-17 22:37 ` Andreas Dilger
2015-04-17 16:25 ` Beata Michalska [this message]
2015-04-17 22:44 ` Andreas Dilger
2015-04-20 8:56 ` Beata Michalska
2015-04-20 10:32 ` Jan Kara
2015-04-15 7:15 ` [RFC 2/4] ext4: Add helper function to mark group as corrupted Beata Michalska
2015-04-15 7:15 ` [RFC 3/4] ext4: Add support for generic FS events Beata Michalska
2015-04-15 19:18 ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-04-16 8:02 ` Beata Michalska
2015-04-15 7:15 ` [RFC 4/4] shmem: " Beata Michalska
2015-04-17 8:17 ` [RFC 0/4] Generic file system events interface Jan Kara
2015-04-17 9:10 ` Beata Michalska
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