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From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: paulmck@kernel.org, Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	RCU <rcu@vger.kernel.org>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Hyeonggon Yoo <42.hyeyoo@gmail.com>,
	Oleksiy Avramchenko <oleksiy.avramchenko@sony.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] Move kvfree_rcu() into SLAB (v2)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 23:06:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55931fdd-1d5f-4ffd-8496-fe436171dee2@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5bb80786-220d-45d2-bd35-51876df4203c@paulmck-laptop>

On 12/16/24 17:46, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 04:55:06PM +0100, Uladzislau Rezki wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 04:44:41PM +0100, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
>> > On 12/16/24 16:41, Uladzislau Rezki wrote:
>> > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 03:20:44PM +0100, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
>> > >> On 12/16/24 12:03, Uladzislau Rezki wrote:
>> > >> > On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 06:30:02PM +0100, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
>> > >> > 
>> > >> >> Also how about a followup patch moving the rcu-tiny implementation of
>> > >> >> kvfree_call_rcu()?
>> > >> >> 
>> > >> > As, Paul already noted, it would make sense. Or just remove a tiny
>> > >> > implementation.
>> > >> 
>> > >> AFAICS tiny rcu is for !SMP systems. Do they benefit from the "full"
>> > >> implementation with all the batching etc or would that be unnecessary overhead?
>> > >> 
>> > > Yes, it is for a really small systems with low amount of memory. I see
>> > > only one overhead it is about driving objects in pages. For a small
>> > > system it can be critical because we allocate.
>> > > 
>> > > From the other hand, for a tiny variant we can modify the normal variant
>> > > by bypassing batching logic, thus do not consume memory(for Tiny case)
>> > > i.e. merge it to a normal kvfree_rcu() path.
>> > 
>> > Maybe we could change it to use CONFIG_SLUB_TINY as that has similar use
>> > case (less memory usage on low memory system, tradeoff for worse performance).
>> > 
>> Yep, i also was thinking about that without saying it :)
> 
> Works for me as well!

Hi, so I tried looking at this. First I just moved the code to slab as seen
in the top-most commit here [1]. Hope the non-inlined __kvfree_call_rcu() is
not a show-stopper here.

Then I wanted to switch the #ifdefs from CONFIG_TINY_RCU to CONFIG_SLUB_TINY
to control whether we use the full blown batching implementation or the
simple call_rcu() implmentation, and realized it's not straightforward and
reveals there are still some subtle dependencies of kvfree_rcu() on RCU
internals :)

Problem 1: !CONFIG_SLUB_TINY with CONFIG_TINY_RCU

AFAICS the batching implementation includes kfree_rcu_scheduler_running()
which is called from rcu_set_runtime_mode() but only on TREE_RCU. Perhaps
there are other facilities the batching implementation needs that only
exists in the TREE_RCU implementation

Possible solution: batching implementation depends on both !CONFIG_SLUB_TINY
and !CONFIG_TINY_RCU. I think it makes sense as both !SMP systems and small
memory systems are fine with the simple implementation.

Problem 2: CONFIG_TREE_RCU with !CONFIG_SLUB_TINY

AFAICS I can't just make the simple implementation do call_rcu() on
CONFIG_TREE_RCU, because call_rcu() no longer knows how to handle the fake
callback (__is_kvfree_rcu_offset()) - I see how rcu_reclaim_tiny() does that
but no such equivalent exists in TREE_RCU. Am I right?

Possible solution: teach TREE_RCU callback invocation to handle
__is_kvfree_rcu_offset() again, perhaps hide that branch behind #ifndef
CONFIG_SLUB_TINY to avoid overhead if the batching implementation is used.
Downside: we visibly demonstrate how kvfree_rcu() is not purely a slab thing
but RCU has to special case it still.

Possible solution 2: instead of the special offset handling, SLUB provides a
callback function, which will determine pointer to the object from the
pointer to a middle of it without knowing the rcu_head offset.
Downside: this will have some overhead, but SLUB_TINY is not meant to be
performant anyway so we might not care.
Upside: we can remove __is_kvfree_rcu_offset() from TINY_RCU as well

Thoughts?

[1]
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/vbabka/linux.git/log/?h=slub-tiny-kfree_rcu

  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-20 22:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-12 18:02 Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2024-12-12 18:02 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] rcu/kvfree: Initialize kvfree_rcu() separately Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2024-12-12 18:02 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] rcu/kvfree: Move some functions under CONFIG_TINY_RCU Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2024-12-12 18:02 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] rcu/kvfree: Adjust names passed into trace functions Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2024-12-12 18:02 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] rcu/kvfree: Adjust a shrinker name Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2024-12-12 18:02 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] mm/slab: Move kvfree_rcu() into SLAB Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2024-12-12 18:30 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] Move kvfree_rcu() into SLAB (v2) Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-12-12 19:08   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-12-12 19:10   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-12-12 19:13     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-12-15 17:30 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-15 18:21   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-12-16 11:03   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-12-16 14:20     ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-16 15:41       ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-12-16 15:44         ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-16 15:55           ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-12-16 16:46             ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-20 22:06               ` Vlastimil Babka [this message]
2025-01-21 13:33                 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-01-21 13:49                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-21 14:14                     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-01-21 20:32                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-22 15:04                         ` Joel Fernandes
2025-01-22 16:43                           ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-22 16:47                             ` Joel Fernandes
2025-01-22 17:42                             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-12-16 13:07   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2025-01-11 19:40     ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-06  7:21 ` [External Mail] " Hyeonggon Yoo
2025-01-11 19:43   ` Vlastimil Babka

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