From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753228AbbIPAee (ORCPT ); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:34:34 -0400 Received: from mail-pa0-f43.google.com ([209.85.220.43]:36510 "EHLO mail-pa0-f43.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751907AbbIPAeb (ORCPT ); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:34:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [RFC 08/14] sched/tune: add detailed documentation To: Peter Zijlstra , Patrick Bellasi References: <1440010044-3402-9-git-send-email-patrick.bellasi@arm.com> <20150902064958.GA18664@google.com> <20150903091849.GB15649@e105326-lin> <55F0938A.9000607@linaro.org> <20150911110959.GA22876@e105326-lin> <55F72773.9090001@linaro.org> <20150915150044.GD3206@e105326-lin> <20150915151953.GF16853@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> Cc: Ricky Liang , Ingo Molnar , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , "linux-pm@vger.kernel.org" , Jonathan Corbet , "linux-doc@vger.kernel.org" , Viresh Kumar From: Steve Muckle X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <55F8B915.30202@linaro.org> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 17:34:29 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20150915151953.GF16853@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 09/15/2015 08:19 AM, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > Please flip the argument around; providing lots of knobs for vendors to > do $magic with is _NOT_ a good thing. > > The whole out-of-tree cpufreq governor hack fest Android thing is a > complete and utter fail on all levels. Its the embedded, ship, forget, > not contribute cycle all over again. > > Making that harder is a _GOOD_ thing. I get why the plugin-like governor interface may encourage out of tree development, but why would providing lots of policy knobs/tunables from the scheduler be bad? Shouldn't that hopefully reduce the likelihood that someone feels the need to roll their own stack of kernel modifications which never make it upstream? cheers, Steve