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From: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@plumgrid.com>
To: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>,
	davem@davemloft.net, viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk, tgraf@suug.ch,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 3/4] bpf: add support for persistent maps/progs
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 19:20:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <562301F9.1030702@plumgrid.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56223F00.5030203@iogearbox.net>

On 10/17/15 5:28 AM, Daniel Borkmann wrote:
>
> Anyway, another idea I've been brainstorming with Hannes today a
> bit is about the following:
>
> We register two major numbers, one for eBPF maps (X), one for eBPF
> progs (Y). A user can either via cmdline call something like ...
> mknod /dev/bpf/maps/map_pkts c X Z to create a special character
> device, or alternatively out of an application through mknod(2)
> syscall (f.e. tc when setting up maps/progs internally from the obj
> file for a classifer).
>
> Then, we still have 2 eBPF commands for bpf(2) syscall to add, say
> (for example) BPF_BIND_DEV and BPF_FETCH_DEV. The application that
> created a map (or prog) already has the map fd and after mknod(2) it
> can open(2) the special file to get the special file fd. Then it can
> call something like bpf(BPF_BIND_DEV, &attr, sizeof(attr))) where
> attr looks like:
>
>    union bpf_attr attr = {
>      .bpf_fd    = bpf_fd,
>      .dev_fd    = dev_fd,
>    };
>
> The bpf(2) syscall can check whether dev_fd belongs to an eBPF special
> file and it can then copy over file->private_data from the bpf_fd
> to the dev_fd's underlying file, where the private_data, as we know,
> from the bpf_fd already points to a proper bpf_map/bpf_prog structure.
> The map/prog would then get ref'ed and lives onwards in the char device's
> lifetime. No special hashtable, gc, etc needed. The char device has fops
> that we can define by ourself, and unlinking would drop the ref from
> its private_data.
>
> Now to the other part: BPF_FETCH_DEV would work similar. The application
> opens the device, and fills bpf_attr as follows again:
>
>    union bpf_attr attr = {
>      .bpf_fd    = 0,
>      .dev_fd    = dev_fd,
>    };
>
> This would allow us to look up the map/prog from the dev_fd's file->
> private_data, and installs a new fd via bpf_{map,prog}_new_fd() that
> is returned from bpf(2) for bpf-related access. The remaining fops
> from the char device could still be reserved for possibilities like
> debugging in future.
>
> Now in future (2nd step), could either be to use Eric's idea and then do
> something like mount -t bpffs ... -o /dev/bpf/maps/map_pkts to dump
> attributes or other properties to some location for inspection from such
> a special file, or we could use kobjects for that attached to the device
> if the fops from the cdev should not be sufficient.
>
> So closing the loop to the special files where there were concerns:
>
> This won't forbid to have a future shell-style access possibility, and
> it would also not end up as a nightmare on what you mentioned with the
> S_ISSOCK-like bit in the other email.
>
> The pinning mechanism would not require an extra file system to be mounted
> somewhere, and yet the user can define himself an arbitrary hierarchy
> where he puts the special files as this facility already exists. An
> approach like this looks overall cleaner to me, and most likely be
> realizable in fewer lines of code as well.
>
> Thoughts?

that indeed sounds cleaner, less lines of code, no fs, etc, but
I don't see how it will work yet.
For chardev with our own ops we can be triggered on open and close
of that chardev, so replacing private_data will be cleared when
user process does close(dev_fd) ? There is no fops for unlink either,
it's fs only property ?


  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-18  4:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-16  1:09 [PATCH net-next 0/4] BPF updates Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-16  1:09 ` [PATCH net-next 1/4] bpf: abstract anon_inode_getfd invocations Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-16  1:09 ` [PATCH net-next 2/4] bpf: align and clean bpf_{map,prog}_get helpers Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-16  1:09 ` [PATCH net-next 3/4] bpf: add support for persistent maps/progs Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-16 10:25   ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-10-16 13:36     ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-16 16:36       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-10-16 17:27         ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-16 17:37           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-16 16:18     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-16 16:43       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-10-16 17:32         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-16 17:37           ` Thomas Graf
2015-10-16 17:21   ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-10-16 17:42     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-16 17:56       ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-16 18:41         ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-10-16 19:27           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-16 19:53             ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-10-16 20:56               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-16 23:44                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-10-17  2:43                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-17 12:28                     ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-18  2:20                       ` Alexei Starovoitov [this message]
2015-10-18 15:03                         ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-18 16:49                           ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-18 20:59                             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-19  7:36                               ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-10-19  9:51                                 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-19 14:23                                   ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-19 16:22                                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-19 17:37                                       ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-19 18:15                                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-19 18:46                                           ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-10-19 19:34                                             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-19 20:03                                               ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-10-19 20:48                                                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-19 22:17                                                   ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-20  0:30                                                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-20  8:46                                                       ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-20 17:53                                                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-20 18:56                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-10-21 15:17                                                             ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-21 18:34                                                               ` Thomas Graf
2015-10-21 22:44                                                                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-22 13:22                                                                   ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-22 19:35                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-10-23 13:47                                                                 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-20  9:43                                                       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-10-19 23:02                                                   ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-10-20  1:09                                                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-20 10:07                                                       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-10-20 18:44                                                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-16 19:54             ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-16  1:09 ` [PATCH net-next 4/4] bpf: add sample usages " Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-19  2:53 ` [PATCH net-next 0/4] BPF updates David Miller

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