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From: Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>
To: Tobias Markus <tobias@miglix.eu>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	"Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	LSM <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:ABI/API" <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-man <linux-man@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] userns/capability: Add user namespace capability
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 22:21:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5623FF36.8080800@nod.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5623FD86.2030609@miglix.eu>

Am 18.10.2015 um 22:13 schrieb Tobias Markus:
> On 17.10.2015 22:17, Richard Weinberger wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Tobias Markus <tobias@miglix.eu> wrote:
>>> One question remains though: Does this break userspace executables that
>>> expect being able to create user namespaces without priviledge? Since
>>> creating user namespaces without CAP_SYS_ADMIN was not possible before
>>> Linux 3.8, programs should already expect a potential EPERM upon calling
>>> clone. Since creating a user namespace without CAP_SYS_USER_NS would
>>> also cause EPERM, we should be on the safe side.
>>
>> In case of doubt, yes it will break existing software.
>> Hiding user namespaces behind CAP_SYS_USER_NS will not magically
>> make them secure.
>>
> The goal is not to make user namespaces secure, but to limit access to
> them somewhat in order to reduce the potential attack surface.

We have already a framework to reduce the attack surface, seccomp.
There is no need to invent new capabilities for every non-trivial
kernel feature.

I can understand the user namespaces seems scary and had bugs.
But which software didn't?

Are there any unfixed exploitable bugs in user namespaces in recent kerenls?

Thanks,
//richard


  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-18 20:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-17 15:58 Tobias Markus
2015-10-17 20:17 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-10-18 20:13   ` Tobias Markus
2015-10-18 20:21     ` Richard Weinberger [this message]
2015-10-18 20:41       ` Tobias Markus
2015-10-18 20:48         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-10-18 21:49           ` Tobias Markus
2015-10-18 22:06             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-10-19  0:28     ` Mike Frysinger
2015-10-17 21:55 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-10-18 20:13   ` Tobias Markus
2015-10-19  1:41     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-10-19 12:36       ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2015-10-19 12:48         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-10-22 20:45     ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-10-22 21:02       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-22 21:44         ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-10-19 14:24 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-21 18:53   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-21 19:13     ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-22 17:10       ` Andy Lutomirski

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