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From: Laura Abbott <labbott@redhat.com>
To: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Stephen Boyd <stephen.boyd@linaro.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Laura Abbott <lauraa@codeaurora.org>,
	linux-arm@lists.infradead.org,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Ming Lei <ming.lei@canonical.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC/PATCHv2 v2 2/4] dma-mapping: Add dma_remap() APIs
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:16:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <57210200.2060405@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160427152524.GD20646@e104818-lin.cambridge.arm.com>

On 04/27/2016 08:25 AM, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 05:35:16PM -0700, Stephen Boyd wrote:
>> Quoting Catalin Marinas (2016-04-21 03:35:12)
>>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 06:04:27PM -0700, Stephen Boyd wrote:
>>>> From: Laura Abbott <lauraa@codeaurora.org>
>>>>
>>>> Some systems are memory constrained but they need to load very
>>>> large firmwares. The firmware subsystem allows drivers to request
>>>> this firmware be loaded from the filesystem, but this requires
>>>> that the entire firmware be loaded into kernel memory first
>>>> before it's provided to the driver. This can lead to a situation
>>>> where we map the firmware twice, once to load the firmware into
>>>> kernel memory and once to copy the firmware into the final
>>>> resting place.
>>>>
>>>> This design creates needless memory pressure and delays loading
>>>> because we have to copy from kernel memory to somewhere else.
>>>> Let's add a couple DMA APIs that allow us to map DMA buffers into
>>>> the CPU's address space in arbitrary sizes. With this API, we can
>>>> allocate a DMA buffer with DMA_ATTR_NO_KERNEL_MAPPING and move a
>>>> small mapping window across our large DMA buffer to load the
>>>> firmware directly into buffer.
>>>
>>> The first two patches in this series don't make sense to me. I don't
>>> understand what the memory pressure is: physical or virtual? Because
>>> they don't seem to address the former (the DMA buffer is allocated in
>>> full) while the latter doesn't need any addressing at all on arm64, we
>>> have plenty of VA space.
>>>
>>> Why do you even need the coherent DMA API? Can you use the streaming API
>>> (map_sg etc.) with a separately allocated buffer?
>>
>> Hmm I guess I need to add in the patches that show how this is used on
>> top of "no-map" DT reserved memory regions. There are some more patches
>> that allow us to assigned reserved memory regions with the "no-map"
>> attribute to devices and then allocate from those regions using the
>> coherent DMA APIs. In the downstream kernel it's called a removed dma
>> pool[1].
>>
>> So the plan is to wire that all up so that the device can have a
>> reserved chunk of memory for the firmware that doesn't exist in the
>> kernel's linear memory mappings. Once we have allocated the region, we
>> can map it into the kernel's view of memory for a short time so that we
>> can load the firmware into it (dma_remap part). Once that's over, we
>> want to destroy the mapping so that we 1) don't use any of the kernel's
>> virtual memory space (dma_unremap part) to back the buffer and 2) so
>> that the secure world can protect the memory from the non-secure world.
>
> Does the firmware already know about such memory? If yes, I presume the
> kernel would have to be told about it and won't try to map it in the
> linear mapping.
>
> At this point, wouldn't a combination of:
>
> 	dma_declare_coherent_memory()
> 	dma_alloc_from_coherent()
> 	dma_release_from_coherent()
> 	dma_release_declared_memory()
>
> work? The removed_alloc() implementation in the link you posted doesn't
> seem far from dma_alloc_from_coherent(). The releasing of the declared
> memory above would unmap the memory, so there are no VA mappings left.
>

The removed alloc was specifically written as a fork of the coherent
pool. This was a choice for ease of out of tree maintenance. The better
choice here would be to fold those features back into dma-coherent.c
if needed.

Thanks,
Laura

  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-27 18:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-20  1:04 [RFC/PATCHv2 v2 0/4] request_firmware() on memory constrained devices Stephen Boyd
2016-04-20  1:04 ` [RFC/PATCHv2 v2 1/4] ARM64: dma: Add support for NO_KERNEL_MAPPING attribute Stephen Boyd
2016-04-20  1:04 ` [RFC/PATCHv2 v2 2/4] dma-mapping: Add dma_remap() APIs Stephen Boyd
2016-04-21 10:35   ` Catalin Marinas
     [not found]     ` <20160423003516.12876.30413@sboyd-linaro>
2016-04-27 15:25       ` Catalin Marinas
2016-04-27 18:16         ` Laura Abbott [this message]
2016-04-20  1:04 ` [RFC/PATCHv2 v2 3/4] firmware_class: Provide infrastructure to make fw caching optional Stephen Boyd
2016-04-20  1:04 ` [RFC/PATCHv2 v2 4/4] firmware: Support requesting firmware directly into DMA memory Stephen Boyd
2016-04-20 12:32 ` [RFC/PATCHv2 v2 0/4] request_firmware() on memory constrained devices Mimi Zohar

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