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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Waiman Long <waiman.long@hpe.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	Jiang Liu <jiang.liu@linux.intel.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Prarit Bhargava <prarit@redhat.com>,
	Scott J Norton <scott.norton@hpe.com>,
	Douglas Hatch <doug.hatch@hpe.com>,
	Randy Wright <rwright@hpe.com>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [RESEND PATCH v4] x86/hpet: Reduce HPET counter read contention
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 17:31:13 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <57AD18D1.1050107@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <57AD0898.7030506@hpe.com>

On 08/11/2016 04:22 PM, Waiman Long wrote:
> On 08/11/2016 03:32 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:
>> It's a real bummer that this all has to be open-coded.  I have to wonder
>> if there were any alternatives that you tried that were simpler.
> 
> What do you mean by "open-coded"? Do you mean the function can be inlined?

I just mean that it's implementing its own locking instead of being able
to use spinlocks or seqlocks, or some other existing primitive.

>> Is READ_ONCE()/smp_store_release() really strong enough here?  It
>> guarantees ordering, but you need ordering *and* a guarantee that your
>> write is visible to the reader.  Don't you need actual barriers for
>> that?  Otherwise, you might be seeing a stale HPET value, and the spin
>> loop that you did waiting for it to be up-to-date was worthless.  The
>> seqlock code, uses barriers, btw.
> 
> The cmpxchg() and smp_store_release() act as the lock/unlock sequence
> with the proper barriers. Another important point is that the hpet value
> is visible to the other readers  before the sequence number. This is
> what the smp_store_release() is providing. cmpxchg is an actual barrier,
> even though smp_store_release() is not. However, the x86 architecture
> will guarantee the writes are in order, I think.

The contended case (where HPET_SEQ_LOCKED(seq)) doesn't do the cmpxchg.
 So it's entirely relying on the READ_ONCE() on the "reader" side and
the cmpxchg/smp_store_release() on the "writer".  This probably works in
practice, but I'm not sure it's guaranteed behavior.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-08-12  0:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-10 18:29 Waiman Long
2016-08-10 18:37 ` Long, Wai Man
2016-08-10 19:01   ` Prarit Bhargava
2016-08-11 19:32 ` Dave Hansen
2016-08-11 23:22   ` Waiman Long
2016-08-12  0:31     ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2016-08-12 17:01       ` Waiman Long
2016-08-12 17:16         ` Dave Hansen
2016-08-12 18:31           ` Waiman Long
2016-08-12 20:18             ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-12 21:10               ` Waiman Long
2016-08-12 21:20                 ` Dave Hansen
2016-08-12 21:32                   ` Waiman Long
2016-08-12 21:16               ` Dave Hansen
2016-08-12 21:32                 ` Waiman Long
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-06-17 20:20 Waiman Long
2016-07-13 15:02 ` Waiman Long

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