From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 832FCC43387 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 23:51:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F5E2075D for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2019 23:51:32 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="key not found in DNS" (0-bit key) header.d=memeware.net header.i=@memeware.net header.b="pt8R6A3n" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726983AbfAAXvb (ORCPT ); Tue, 1 Jan 2019 18:51:31 -0500 Received: from cock.li ([185.100.85.212]:34576 "EHLO cock.li" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1725941AbfAAXva (ORCPT ); Tue, 1 Jan 2019 18:51:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=memeware.net; s=mail; t=1546386687; bh=vXmoKuOoLH+/bML4OsxDWPgDErt5LP4daPjNDXmGVs8=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:From; b=pt8R6A3nurJ9tkVOebJpekpj9AHZK3TTfjQD2Joce/RgCjNBQJOPziAEabaFn5rn7 s/Ex0wdSm7kLmvFNFDIZ1zrhSG50IriJ10W6DYQBP3GRZxZZLXH9/YtFLKZsQVysj1 AMWRAx/D46iwS9vhHFtzEnVOciRrdPShPY0lThfE2nshRvQfdEabamKgUSNSgFHOF4 HMD0n8nryBlL66XeZwd2Rjz+9Eo8MrGMJ9fBTGXP6LyXR57STqR9YaUQlRFMLXf2GU DxuK9DL39F7/Q9jkoBjQn7B/9BpP2SM0CNF/K/sFYOxQz6nHCZgr2+QyaHMW31hIeq R7uqiWfhWfGLw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2019 23:51:25 +0000 From: vsnsdualce@memeware.net To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org, ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com, debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: freebsd-women@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, misc@openbsd.org Subject: Yes: your code IS property. It is YOUR property. Message-ID: <58f8ccfee05d03e32426b78bc5e7d0f1@memeware.net> X-Sender: vsnsdualce@memeware.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org >> he compares lending a physical object to licensing intellectual >> property > Why are you still LARPing as a laywer? >> 1015334 The foundation of this law IS in property law. Copyright is alienable in all ways that property is (see: US Copyright statute). That is where you get the ability to LICENSE software, books, music, etc to begin with. The Copyright act announces that these ethereal concepts, these things that are not in reality something one can truly physically extend dominion and control (ownership) over... are never the less... to be treated as such. Yes, a License, first and foremost, is a PROPERTY law concept. Property which you can defend, which you can build walls around, which you can enclose, from which you can eject trespassers. An Idea? A song? Can one eject a tresspasser from that? Can one ever rape a mind of an allready-recieved idea? Can one cut from the grasp of an interlocutor, this supposed Object ... a song? No. Not in reality. But the Copyright Act declares differently. It declares that these incorporeal concepts be imagined to be that piece of land on which your stronghold sits, onwhich your implements of defence are trained from the high towers you have erected. It declares that a Song, A piece of litererature, every copy there-of, all-in-the-same, is not a wisp upon the wind... but a piece of land, or some personal implement such as an ax. And that you can, indeed, cut from the grasp of some theif this ax, you can cut his fingers one by one until that Ax of yours falls from his countenance back into your possession. And the way this is done is by the destruction of all offending articles: which a court may order, and or the punishment of those who would violate the property rights of the owner, which again the court may order. So yes, intellectual property is... like a physical thing. Because the law says it is. Even though you cannot even prevent yourself from knowing that which is thrust upon you... Here the property owners, who came to be property owners at the fixation of the article (that is: when the code was written down), chose not to transfer their ownership in the article. Instead they, after reading the Copyright Act, elected to a different from of Property alienation. A rather limited form known as a license. Permission. A temporary grant which, at their time of choosing, they may end. Since this grant makes no mention of them selling off their right to rescind the permission, and since, indeed, forbearance of said right was not sold, there is no attached interest with which to bind their hand. They may rescind. If you don't like that: pay them for a forbearance.