From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
To: Lee Jones <lee@kernel.org>
Cc: Emmanuel Grumbach <emmanuel.grumbach@intel.com>,
Luca Coelho <luciano.coelho@intel.com>,
linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] wifi: mac80211: ignore PM bit in non-bufferable MMPDUs for PS start
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2026 09:42:09 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <591baf4f5983a2205550523a792681dad4b77b66.camel@sipsolutions.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261020065830.GA1206986@google.com>
On Tue, 2026-10-20 at 07:58 +0100, Lee Jones wrote:
>
> You were also right to suspect the client-side TIM path in
> ieee80211_rx_mgmt_beacon(), when (dynamic_ps_timeout == 0) (for instance,
> when power-save is disabled on the client interface) and IEEE80211_CONF_PS
> is not set, mac80211 currently ignores its AID bit in the TIM and never
> sends a wake nullfunc frame to flush the AP's buffered frames.
>
> If you're happy for me to do so, I'll send the following 2-patch v3 series:
>
> 1. Symmetric PM-bit handling in ieee80211_rx_h_sta_process() (only
> consulting the PM bit on data and bufferable management frames, while
> waking sleeping stations on Auth / (Re)AssocReq as-per 9fef65443388).
>
> 2. Sending a wake nullfunc in ieee80211_rx_mgmt_beacon() when the TIM
> indicates buffered unicast traffic while IEEE80211_CONF_PS is not set.
>
> Does this help or hinder? Your call. If you decline, I'll go ahead and
> close out our internal (Android) report as `Won't Fix` and move on to
> something else.
I think what you do with your report is probably not my problem ;-)
IMHO adding the client side defence definitely makes sense, though in
many/most cases it'll be up to the firmware anyway.
I don't think I have a problem with the AP-side spec alignment, even if
it's a touchy area, but depends how complex the code gets perhaps? I
don't think any client would rely on us not handling the PM bit in those
frames, and they're supposed to set it to 0 (reserved) anyway, so I'm
not very worried about it. The patch was fine and I guess moving that
around to apply to both sides wouldn't really change it much? Want to
try?
johannes
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-20 7:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-28 10:05 Lee Jones
2026-09-28 10:15 ` Johannes Berg
2026-09-28 14:24 ` Lee Jones
2026-09-29 16:32 ` Johannes Berg
2026-10-20 6:58 ` Lee Jones
2026-10-20 7:42 ` Johannes Berg [this message]
2026-10-20 7:47 ` Grumbach, Emmanuel
2026-10-20 9:54 ` Lee Jones
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