From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>,
Imre Kaloz <kaloz@kernel.org>
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Andreas Larsson <andreas@gaisler.com>,
"Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
"Mike Rapoport (IBM)" <rppt@kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Magnus Lindholm <linmag7@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/4] mm: pass the number of PTEs to move_pte()
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2026 11:02:17 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5dac5fd3-c2a6-4e1a-98fa-0fe1936b269d@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8d4993cb2f2e5c3300514f1e2616e4a101488883.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de>
On 10/28/26 10:58, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> On Wed, 2026-10-28 at 10:22 +0100, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>> On 10/28/26 10:16, Imre Kaloz wrote:
>>> Hi David,
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm one of the museum folks myself, though more the kind who loves
>>> running a modern kernel on old hardware than the kind who complains
>>> about it :) A lot of these machines are still doing real work, and
>>> these days not everyone can, or wants to, just buy a new computer.
>>>
>>> Some of us spend our time keeping these platforms working, and I'm
>>> not asking anyone else to carry that, which is why I tried to keep
>>> all of it in sparc.
>>
>> Okay, so mremap() and reclaim memory performance concerns make you sleep bad at
>> night? :)
>>
>> Don't get me wrong, I know that running new kernels on old HW is fun.
>>
>> Last week a got upstream Linux running on a 32bit x86 notebook from 2007 with
>> the snap of a finger. Everything just works (using Alpine).
>
> That's cool!
>
>> I couldn't care less about performance. Nobody should.
>
> Well, try to put it into some perspective: For some people, old hardware
> is all what they have and given the current high prices, I assume many
> people will be stuck with old hardware for a while now. Think of developing
> countries as well.
sparc64 machines?! cmon
>
>> The biggest problem all of us with supporting old hardware is the maintanance
>> cost. Not just core-mm, but also things like ad-hoc page table walkers you are
>> adding we (from core-mm) might have to touch at some point.
>
> Well, but if people are using it in the end, I think it's justified to support it.
No. Run stable kernels.
>
>> If there is no good reason for the complexity, out it goes.
>
> The patch doesn't really look that complex though. It adds an additional parameter
> to move_pte() which adds a few more lines of code. Not really overly complex, I think.
Follow the discussion.
>
>> Because otherwise people will push more and more for removing legacy support
>> completely, and that's not what you want, right?
>
> I don't think it's fair to make the kernel exclusive to very recent hardware only.
"Very recent" find the mistake.
(sorry, I'm unusually grumpy today)
--
Cheers,
David
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-28 10:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-10-21 23:33 [PATCH v3 0/4] sparc64: D-cache alias flushing fixes Imre Kaloz
2026-10-21 23:33 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] sparc64: skip the trap block in xcall_deliver() when there is no target Imre Kaloz
2026-10-21 23:33 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] sparc64: flush only the aliased page, not its whole folio Imre Kaloz
2026-10-21 23:33 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] sparc64: flush vmalloc ranges from the D-cache on map and unmap Imre Kaloz
2026-10-21 23:33 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] mm: pass the number of PTEs to move_pte() Imre Kaloz
2026-10-23 17:17 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-10-23 20:53 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-27 21:26 ` Imre Kaloz
2026-10-28 8:49 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-28 9:16 ` Imre Kaloz
2026-10-28 9:22 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-28 9:58 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2026-10-28 10:02 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-10-28 10:12 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-10-28 10:17 ` Imre Kaloz
2026-10-28 13:57 ` Andreas Larsson
2026-10-28 13:59 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-28 16:26 ` Imre Kaloz
2026-10-28 14:00 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-22 8:20 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] sparc64: D-cache alias flushing fixes Stian Halseth
2026-10-23 9:22 ` Andreas Larsson
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