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From: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
To: Gabriele Monaco <gmonaco@redhat.com>,
	Sechang Lim <rhkrqnwk98@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Juri Lelli" <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Cc: Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] sched: set TIF_NEED_RESCHED before calling __trace_set_need_resched()
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2026 23:05:12 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5f47566b-88f4-458d-87a4-7794e6ba8203@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6cbcc3ea742b92b6a34b5994f5498c7611beac7e.camel@redhat.com>

Hello Gabriele,

On 6/29/2026 6:10 PM, Gabriele Monaco wrote:
> On Mon, 2026-06-29 at 09:41 +0530, K Prateek Nayak wrote:
>> Unrelated to changes here: This tracepoint seems to be missing from
>> wake_up_idle_cpu() which modifies the ti->flags without taking the
>> rq_lock.
>>
>> A newly enqueued timer can race with the wakeup on idle CPU and you can
>> see a wakeup + sched_switch without seeing a corresponding
>> trace_sched_set_need_resched_tp() for the CPU.
>>
>> Gabriele, is that a concern for RV?
> 
> Thanks Prateek for pointing this out. So as I'm understanding, we are missing
> the tracepoint in that path, but even after putting it, this race might cause a
> sched_switch to be visible concurrently or before the corresponding need_resched
> for that CPU, right?

Ack but if that comment in wake_up_idle_cpu() is accurate, it is a very
infrequent operation and we might be able to get away with grabbing the
rq_lock and synchronizing it too.

> 
> That's potentially an issue.
> 
> Currently the only model really relying on the need_resched event is nrp,
> validating every kernel preemption has a corresponding need_resched set.
> The scenario passing through wake_up_idle_cpu() is setting the flag on a CPU
> that is idle (causing __schedule(SM_IDLE)), this doesn't count as a preemption
> for the model. Or am I missing something?

I just saw the npr monitor and yes, the SM_IDLE path will not count as
preemption and the state machine should just stay at
"any_thread_running" from the "schedule_entry" edge.

Sorry for the scare!

> That said, we should indeed add the tracepoint to that path and probably adapt
> the monitor if that's making it fail indirectly.

For the npr use-case, I think the current scheme is fine since
only SM_PREEMPt counts as a "schedule_entry_preempt" transition
and only that can transition the state machine out of the
"any_thread_running" state.

-- 
Thanks and Regards,
Prateek


  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-29 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-27  8:16 Sechang Lim
2026-06-29  4:11 ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-06-29 12:40   ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-06-29 17:35     ` K Prateek Nayak [this message]
2026-06-30  8:58       ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-06-30 16:16         ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-06-30 20:34           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-07-01  6:51             ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-07-01  6:54               ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-07-01  8:09                 ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-07-01  8:49                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-07-16 15:09                     ` Will Deacon
2026-07-16 18:25                       ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-06-30  7:58   ` Sechang Lim

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