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From: starlight@binnacle.cx
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>, Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>,
	Serge Belyshev <belyshev@depni.sinp.msu.ru>,
	Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>, Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Stephen Hemminger <stephen.hemminger@vyatta.com>
Subject: Re: big picture UDP/IP performance question re 2.6.18 -> 2.6.32
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 07:50:26 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20111005074401.03a9d0f8@binnacle.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1317804832.2473.25.camel@edumazet-HP-Compaq-6005-Pr o-SFF-PC>

At 10:53 AM 10/5/2011 +0200, Eric Dumazet wrote:
>
>Note :
>
>Your results are from a combination of a user
>application and kernel default strategies.
>
>On other combinations, results can be completely different.
>
>A wakeup strategy is somewhat tricky : 
>
>- Should we affine or not.
>- Should we queue the wakeup on a remote CPU,
>  to keep scheduler data hot in a single cpu cache.
>- Should we use RPS/RFS to queue the packet to
>  another CPU before  even handling it in our stack,
>  to keep network data hot in a single cpu
>   cache. (check Documentation/networking/scaling.txt)
>
>At least, with recent kernels, we have many
>available choices to tune a workload.

I would argue that results speak louder than
features.  A 300% deterioration in latency,
600% deterioration in sigma latency and
a 50-100% increase in apparent system overhead
is not impressive.

Our application is designed to run optimally
as a scalable real-time network transaction
processor and provides for a variety of
different thread-pool and queuing approaches.
Performance is worse for every one of them
in newer kernels.  The ones that scale the
best fared worst.

It seems to me that any scheduler-intensive
application will suffer a similar fate.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-10-05 11:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-05  6:58 starlight
2011-10-05  8:53 ` Eric Dumazet
     [not found]   ` <1317804832.2473.25.camel@edumazet-HP-Compaq-6005-Pr o-SFF-PC>
2011-10-05 11:50     ` starlight [this message]
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2011-10-07  3:27 starlight
2011-10-07  5:40 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-07  6:13   ` starlight
2011-10-07 18:09     ` chetan loke
     [not found]       ` <CAAsGZS4s1wTWW1j7FRUWW9jqpPUVF3Q46AMa7+njvE1ckX0Snw @mail.gmail.com>
2011-10-07 18:37         ` starlight
2011-10-07 19:27           ` chetan loke
     [not found]             ` <CAAsGZS4b2F9N3nV3TNu5xG+=2d0L0ncste4xv2vqoVFb1pOxEw @mail.gmail.com>
2011-10-07 19:41               ` starlight
2011-10-07 20:07           ` Ben Hutchings
2011-10-11 16:24   ` Chris Friesen
2011-10-07  2:33 starlight
2011-10-07  2:24 starlight
2011-10-05  6:11 starlight
2011-10-05  3:35 starlight
2011-10-03 18:02 starlight
2011-10-05  6:53 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-03 15:25 starlight
2011-10-03 16:16 ` Eric Dumazet
     [not found]   ` <1317658588.2442.5.camel@edumazet-HP-Compaq-6005-Pro -SFF-PC>
2011-10-03 16:28     ` starlight
2011-10-04 19:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-10-04 19:38   ` Joe Perches
2011-10-04 19:42     ` Christoph Lameter
2011-10-04 19:49       ` Serge Belyshev
2011-10-04 20:03         ` Christoph Lameter
2011-10-04 20:12           ` Serge Belyshev
2011-10-04 22:32             ` Con Kolivas
2011-10-04 19:45     ` starlight
2011-10-05 13:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-10-05 14:26     ` Christoph Lameter
2011-10-05 15:12       ` Andi Kleen
2011-10-05 15:33       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-10-05 15:12     ` starlight
2011-10-02  5:33 starlight
2011-10-02  7:21 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-02  8:03   ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-02 14:47   ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-10-02 15:06   ` starlight
2011-10-04 19:54     ` Loke, Chetan
2011-10-01 21:13 starlight
2011-10-01 18:16 starlight
2011-10-01 18:40 ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 19:11 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-01 19:43   ` starlight
2011-10-01  5:30 starlight
2011-10-01  6:44 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-01 15:56   ` starlight

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