From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v21 1/6] lib: introduce hierarchical per-cpu counters
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2026 13:59:21 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <604b7546-31ce-4a9a-b2d6-f0895c745378@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f576b7d8-d8d5-4ecf-8663-015c159e6146@efficios.com>
On 2026-09-11 12:30, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> On 2026-09-10 08:24, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> [...]
>>> diff --git a/include/linux/percpu_counter_tree.h b/include/linux/
>>> percpu_counter_tree.h
>>> new file mode 100644
>>> index 000000000000..828c763edd4a
>>> --- /dev/null
>>> +++ b/include/linux/percpu_counter_tree.h
>>> @@ -0,0 +1,367 @@
>>> +/* SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0+ OR MIT */
>>> +/* SPDX-FileCopyrightText: 2025 Mathieu Desnoyers
>>> <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com> */
>>> +
>>> +#ifndef _PERCPU_COUNTER_TREE_H
>>> +#define _PERCPU_COUNTER_TREE_H
>>> +
>>> +#include <linux/preempt.h>
>>> +#include <linux/atomic.h>
>>> +#include <linux/percpu.h>
>>> +
>>> +#ifdef CONFIG_SMP
>>> +
>>
>> Would it be possible to document here how these values are determined?
Do you consider this a blocker for integrating the series into mm
for testing ? This has been repeatedly postponed from rc1 to rc1 for
many cycles now.
Thanks,
Mathieu
>
> Those come from lib/percpu_counter_tree.c:
>
> static const struct counter_config per_nr_cpu_order_config[] = {
> [0] = { .nr_items = 0, .nr_levels =
> 0, .n_arity_order = { 0 } },
> [1] = { .nr_items = 1, .nr_levels =
> 1, .n_arity_order = { 1 } },
> [2] = { .nr_items = 3, .nr_levels =
> 2, .n_arity_order = { 1, 1 } },
> [3] = { .nr_items = 7, .nr_levels =
> 3, .n_arity_order = { 1, 1, 1 } },
> [4] = { .nr_items = 7, .nr_levels =
> 3, .n_arity_order = { 2, 1, 1 } },
> [5] = { .nr_items = 11, .nr_levels =
> 3, .n_arity_order = { 2, 2, 1 } },
> [6] = { .nr_items = 21, .nr_levels =
> 3, .n_arity_order = { 2, 2, 2 } },
> [7] = { .nr_items = 21, .nr_levels =
> 3, .n_arity_order = { 3, 2, 2 } },
> [8] = { .nr_items = 37, .nr_levels =
> 3, .n_arity_order = { 3, 3, 2 } },
> [9] = { .nr_items = 73, .nr_levels =
> 3, .n_arity_order = { 3, 3, 3 } },
> [10] = { .nr_items = 149, .nr_levels =
> 4, .n_arity_order = { 3, 3, 2, 2 } },
> [11] = { .nr_items = 293, .nr_levels =
> 4, .n_arity_order = { 3, 3, 3, 2 } },
> [12] = { .nr_items = 585, .nr_levels =
> 4, .n_arity_order = { 3, 3, 3, 3 } },
> [13] = { .nr_items = 1173, .nr_levels =
> 5, .n_arity_order = { 3, 3, 3, 2, 2 } },
> [14] = { .nr_items = 2341, .nr_levels =
> 5, .n_arity_order = { 3, 3, 3, 3, 2 } },
> [15] = { .nr_items = 4681, .nr_levels =
> 5, .n_arity_order = { 3, 3, 3, 3, 3 } },
> [16] = { .nr_items = 4681, .nr_levels =
> 5, .n_arity_order = { 4, 3, 3, 3, 3 } },
> [17] = { .nr_items = 8777, .nr_levels =
> 5, .n_arity_order = { 4, 4, 3, 3, 3 } },
> [18] = { .nr_items = 17481, .nr_levels =
> 5, .n_arity_order = { 4, 4, 4, 3, 3 } },
> [19] = { .nr_items = 34953, .nr_levels =
> 5, .n_arity_order = { 4, 4, 4, 4, 3 } },
> [20] = { .nr_items = 69905, .nr_levels =
> 5, .n_arity_order = { 4, 4, 4, 4, 4 } },
> };
>
> Currently they need to be kept in sync manually between the public header
> and the implementation, which is error prone. I should do something
> about that.
>
> Note that the nr_levels and n_arity_order are only used within the
> implementation,
> so ideally we would only have the nr_items values in the public header,
> not the
> rest.
>
> Those values are calculated by calculating the number of items needed
> for the tree
> hierarchy of a given topology, excluding level 0. For instance with 8
> (2^3) CPUs:
>
> * Level 0: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
> * | / | / | / | /
> * | / | / | / | /
> * | / | / | / | /
> * Level 1: 0 1 2 3
> * | / | /
> * | / | /
> * | / | /
> * Level 2: 0 1
> * | /
> * | /
> * | /
> * Level 3: 0
>
> we need 4 items at level 1, 2 at level 2, and 1 at level 3, for a total
> of 7.
>
>>
>> Without that, ...
>>
>>> +#if NR_CPUS == (1U << 0)
>>> +# define PERCPU_COUNTER_TREE_STATIC_NR_ITEMS 0
>>> +#elif NR_CPUS <= (1U << 1)
>>> +# define PERCPU_COUNTER_TREE_STATIC_NR_ITEMS 1
>>> +#elif NR_CPUS <= (1U << 2)
>>> +# define PERCPU_COUNTER_TREE_STATIC_NR_ITEMS 3
>>> +#elif NR_CPUS <= (1U << 3)
>>> +# define PERCPU_COUNTER_TREE_STATIC_NR_ITEMS 7
>>> +#elif NR_CPUS <= (1U << 4)
>>> +# define PERCPU_COUNTER_TREE_STATIC_NR_ITEMS 7
>>
>> ... I'm confused why two separate statements share the same number.
>
> This is because both 2^3 and 2^4 have 3 levels, but the fan-out changes.
> We go from:
>
> { 1, 1, 1 }
> to
> { 2, 1, 1 }
>
> so even though we have twice the number of CPUs, the number of items is
> the same
> because the fan-out of level 0 went from 2^1=2 to 2^2=4 (it doubled as
> well).
>
>> (should we simply drop the "elif NR_CPUS <= (1U << 3)" in that case?)
>
> We should, it's indeed redundant. I kept it to have a 1 to 1 mapping
> with the
> static const table, but if we introduce a compile-time check that they
> match
> dropping it is not an issue.
>
>> I do wonder whether there is an (easy) way to encode this into a
>> formula. I
>> assume you tried and it got too hairy :)
>
> generating it with a formula gets quickly complex in a way that makes it
> tricky to review.
>
> Something like the trick below would allow us to make sure the values match
> between the public header and the implementation, which where I think we'd
> really need validation:
>
> * Public header:
>
> /* Number of inner nodes for a tree covering @nr_cpus CPUs, -1 if
> unsupported. */
> #define __PERCPU_COUNTER_TREE_NR_ITEMS(nr_cpus) \
> ((nr_cpus) <= (1U << 0) ? 0 : \
> (nr_cpus) <= (1U << 1) ? 1 : \
> (nr_cpus) <= (1U << 2) ? 3 : \
> (nr_cpus) <= (1U << 4) ? 7 : \
> (nr_cpus) <= (1U << 5) ? 11 : \
> (nr_cpus) <= (1U << 7) ? 21 : \
> (nr_cpus) <= (1U << 8) ? 37 : \
> (nr_cpus) <= (1U << 9) ? 73 : \
> (nr_cpus) <= (1U << 10) ? 149 : \
> (nr_cpus) <= (1U << 11) ? 293 : \
> (nr_cpus) <= (1U << 12) ? 585 : \
> (nr_cpus) <= (1U << 13) ? 1173 : \
> (nr_cpus) <= (1U << 14) ? 2341 : \
> (nr_cpus) <= (1U << 16) ? 4681 : \
> (nr_cpus) <= (1U << 17) ? 8777 : \
> (nr_cpus) <= (1U << 18) ? 17481 : \
> (nr_cpus) <= (1U << 19) ? 34953 : \
> (nr_cpus) <= (1U << 20) ? 69905 : -1)
>
> #define PERCPU_COUNTER_TREE_STATIC_NR_ITEMS \
> __PERCPU_COUNTER_TREE_NR_ITEMS(NR_CPUS)
>
> #if PERCPU_COUNTER_TREE_STATIC_NR_ITEMS < 0
> # error "Unsupported number of CPUs."
> #endif
>
> * Implementation:
>
> /*
> * X(order, nr_levels, ARITY(arity order per level, leaf level first))
> * Row "order" covers nr_cpus <= 2^order. nr_items comes from the public
> * header and is checked against nr_levels and ARITY() below.
> */
> #define PERCPU_COUNTER_TREE_CONFIGS(X) \
> X( 0, 0, ARITY()) \
> X( 1, 1, ARITY(1)) \
> X( 2, 2, ARITY(1, 1)) \
> X( 3, 3, ARITY(1, 1, 1)) \
> X( 4, 3, ARITY(2, 1, 1)) \
> X( 5, 3, ARITY(2, 2, 1)) \
> X( 6, 3, ARITY(2, 2, 2)) \
> X( 7, 3, ARITY(3, 2, 2)) \
> X( 8, 3, ARITY(3, 3, 2)) \
> X( 9, 3, ARITY(3, 3, 3)) \
> X(10, 4, ARITY(3, 3, 2, 2)) \
> X(11, 4, ARITY(3, 3, 3, 2)) \
> X(12, 4, ARITY(3, 3, 3, 3)) \
> X(13, 5, ARITY(3, 3, 3, 2, 2)) \
> X(14, 5, ARITY(3, 3, 3, 3, 2)) \
> X(15, 5, ARITY(3, 3, 3, 3, 3)) \
> X(16, 5, ARITY(4, 3, 3, 3, 3)) \
> X(17, 5, ARITY(4, 4, 3, 3, 3)) \
> X(18, 5, ARITY(4, 4, 4, 3, 3)) \
> X(19, 5, ARITY(4, 4, 4, 4, 3)) \
> X(20, 5, ARITY(4, 4, 4, 4, 4))
>
> /*
> * ARITY() is never defined: consumers paste a prefix onto it, so that
> * __PCT_LIST_##arity turns ARITY(3, 2, 2) into __PCT_LIST_ARITY(3, 2, 2).
> */
> #define __PCT_LIST_ARITY(...) __VA_ARGS__
> /* Pad to COUNTER_TREE_MAX_LEVELS (5) entries; "+ 0" keeps ARITY()
> valid. */
> #define __PCT_PAD_ARITY(...) __PCT_PAD_(__VA_ARGS__ + 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0)
> #define __PCT_PAD_(a0, a1, a2, a3, a4, ...) a0, a1, a2, a3, a4
>
> #define __PCT_NR_ITEMS(order) __PERCPU_COUNTER_TREE_NR_ITEMS(1U <<
> (order))
>
> #define __PCT_CONFIG(order, levels, arity) \
> [order] = { .nr_items = __PCT_NR_ITEMS(order), \
> .nr_levels = (levels), \
> .n_arity_order = { __PCT_LIST_##arity } },
>
> static const struct counter_config per_nr_cpu_order_config[] = {
> PERCPU_COUNTER_TREE_CONFIGS(__PCT_CONFIG)
> };
>
> #define __PCT_CALL(m, ...) m(__VA_ARGS__)
> #define __PCT_SUM(a0, a1, a2, a3, a4) (a0 + a1 + a2 + a3 + a4)
>
> /* Inner nodes at level @j (1 = parents of the per-CPU counters). */
> #define __PCT_LVL(j, order, levels, sum) \
> ((j) <= (levels) ? 1U << ((order) - (sum)) : 0U)
>
> #define __PCT_ITEMS(order, levels, a0, a1, a2, a3, a4) \
> (__PCT_LVL(1, order, levels, a0) + \
> __PCT_LVL(2, order, levels, a0 + a1) + \
> __PCT_LVL(3, order, levels, a0 + a1 + a2) + \
> __PCT_LVL(4, order, levels, a0 + a1 + a2 + a3) + \
> __PCT_LVL(5, order, levels, a0 + a1 + a2 + a3 + a4))
>
> #define __PCT_CHECK_ROW(order, levels, arity) \
> static_assert((levels) <= COUNTER_TREE_MAX_LEVELS, \
> "percpu_counter_tree: order " #order ": too many levels"); \
> static_assert(__PCT_CALL(__PCT_SUM, __PCT_PAD_##arity) ==
> (order), \
> "percpu_counter_tree: order " #order ": arity orders do not sum
> to order"); \
> static_assert(__PCT_CALL(__PCT_ITEMS, order, levels, \
> __PCT_PAD_##arity) == __PCT_NR_ITEMS(order), \
> "percpu_counter_tree: order " #order ": nr_items does not match
> levels/arities"); \
> static_assert(__PERCPU_COUNTER_TREE_NR_ITEMS((1U << (order)) / 2)
> <= \
> __PCT_NR_ITEMS(order), \
> "percpu_counter_tree: order " #order ": nr_items not monotonic");
>
> PERCPU_COUNTER_TREE_CONFIGS(__PCT_CHECK_ROW)
>
> One alternative would be to derive the public header nr items from a
> formula, e.g.:
>
> enum {
> __PCT_ORDER = order_base_2(NR_CPUS),
> /* at most 8-ary per level while that fits in 3..5 levels */
> __PCT_LEVELS = MIN(5, MAX(MIN(__PCT_ORDER, 3),
> DIV_ROUND_UP(__PCT_ORDER, 3))),
> __PCT_DIV = MAX(__PCT_LEVELS, 1), /* avoid /0 for 1 CPU */
> __PCT_BASE = __PCT_ORDER / __PCT_DIV, /* arity order per
> level */
> __PCT_EXTRA = __PCT_ORDER % __PCT_DIV, /* leaf-side levels
> with +1 */
> };
>
> /* Number of inner nodes at depth @k (root is depth 0). */
> #define __PCT_NODES(k) \
> ((k) < __PCT_LEVELS ? \
> 1U << ((k) * __PCT_BASE + \
> MAX(0, (k) - (__PCT_LEVELS - __PCT_EXTRA))) : 0)
>
> #define PERCPU_COUNTER_TREE_STATIC_NR_ITEMS \
> (__PCT_NODES(0) + __PCT_NODES(1) + __PCT_NODES(2) + \
> __PCT_NODES(3) + __PCT_NODES(4))
>
> static_assert(NR_CPUS <= (1U << 20), "Unsupported number of CPUs.");
>
> It's more compact, but it's also less straightforward to understand how
> many
> items we end up with for a given order.
>
> Any preference ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mathieu
>
--
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
https://www.efficios.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-15 17:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-01 18:28 [PATCH v21 0/6] Hierarchical Percpu Counters for RSS Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-09-01 18:28 ` [PATCH v21 1/6] lib: introduce hierarchical per-cpu counters Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-09-10 12:24 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-11 16:30 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-09-15 17:59 ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2026-09-01 18:28 ` [PATCH v21 2/6] lib: test " Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-09-01 18:28 ` [PATCH v21 3/6] mm: improve RSS counter approximation accuracy for proc interfaces Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-09-01 18:28 ` [PATCH v21 4/6] mm: reorder mm_struct flexible array to place mm_cpumask first Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-09-01 18:28 ` [PATCH v21 5/6] init: move percpu_counter_tree_subsystem_init() earlier in boot Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-09-01 18:28 ` [PATCH v21 6/6] lib: inline percpu_counter_tree_items_size with boot-safety sentinel Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-09-03 17:18 ` [PATCH v21 0/6] Hierarchical Percpu Counters for RSS Shakeel Butt
2026-09-03 19:09 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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