From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-alma10-1.taild15c8.ts.net [100.103.45.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9260829DB6C for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2026 09:28:51 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1782984532; cv=none; b=XYAfoVdSpNJw0zbDRPE+JZs0BTCaoO4Pg/ro4rfwWtRx+0f1BPhNhMoOZqS2hcQpvLWnIB3dFmgBvGMYaN3L+mdV9bVPsqCZdo3pn8ev+MJ6leadtu8VxTja/sSmNbnJJdD9U2HghKEzevHDX+W8awt00cemK8MLNFWDpuxEgXI= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1782984532; c=relaxed/simple; bh=vUsRPHGOwMp8uqD8z8JmkC66o9aaO1OHH89+wkr4JgM=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:Cc:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=gUKEq8m2VLQ19TcOxVVqwmNC8x9nMFe2r7NvLet0zpe4DMoEgMKaR3ZPRSUe4wSsQj6HW7WmLL4OD9Kt+wULSmM1hrvFGu6epIrClS8lvc5e4zIdKUzXx9w+Q14mgdtCJCyrf3tbCbeYdabgLWQ6K5CTMrjtLDjwoyyD6sv3WoY= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=laIgvXKp; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="laIgvXKp" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 236B91F000E9; Thu, 2 Jul 2026 09:28:48 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kernel.org; s=k20260515; t=1782984531; bh=2mtFUkewj82CSvUG6s14YLcxjYDYfdjB06YvSf/atK4=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=laIgvXKp4aN3aDOyfdJayZJntMJq3MbuMW5NaKIiWZzmrrA2hdLYga454R6eAuhX6 NE/UAwk1ux/ErUCUUPPQK2goyURDt3F/BIj4UJ88CBgnONOpHvZ/i+ayg5toREXlRh k1Ena9SU5PuQ0W5zMGBLbU+Igfj62M4hF59M87GnHfmg0Yy/u1ql8J3k+qpxw/B1YE p+LpaYO4wbciGMdONx4/I3GloguwemSRdW1/SEMsAAiOI2ZM7s5oYZNaZ2cU36bh8m TpaSK5nuPXuvI7/lcM4+b7sEH5z7KsbWy0KsxWslPP5Uifd46Y5t023/Modnl2EkzN P+RkqbkYwRmWQ== Message-ID: <61bc1ad0-f9e3-405a-ae32-b89bcdd2e1d1@kernel.org> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2026 11:28:47 +0200 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] mm: compaction: support non-movable compaction for pageblock requests Content-Language: en-US To: Johannes Weiner Cc: Andrew Morton , Suren Baghdasaryan , Michal Hocko , Brendan Jackman , Zi Yan , David Hildenbrand , Lorenzo Stoakes , "Liam R. Howlett" , Mike Rapoport , linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <20260626182215.1107966-1-hannes@cmpxchg.org> <20260626182215.1107966-3-hannes@cmpxchg.org> From: "Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)" Autocrypt: addr=vbabka@kernel.org; keydata= xsFNBFZdmxYBEADsw/SiUSjB0dM+vSh95UkgcHjzEVBlby/Fg+g42O7LAEkCYXi/vvq31JTB KxRWDHX0R2tgpFDXHnzZcQywawu8eSq0LxzxFNYMvtB7sV1pxYwej2qx9B75qW2plBs+7+YB 87tMFA+u+L4Z5xAzIimfLD5EKC56kJ1CsXlM8S/LHcmdD9Ctkn3trYDNnat0eoAcfPIP2OZ+ 9oe9IF/R28zmh0ifLXyJQQz5ofdj4bPf8ecEW0rhcqHfTD8k4yK0xxt3xW+6Exqp9n9bydiy tcSAw/TahjW6yrA+6JhSBv1v2tIm+itQc073zjSX8OFL51qQVzRFr7H2UQG33lw2QrvHRXqD Ot7ViKam7v0Ho9wEWiQOOZlHItOOXFphWb2yq3nzrKe45oWoSgkxKb97MVsQ+q2SYjJRBBH4 8qKhphADYxkIP6yut/eaj9ImvRUZZRi0DTc8xfnvHGTjKbJzC2xpFcY0DQbZzuwsIZ8OPJCc LM4S7mT25NE5kUTG/TKQCk922vRdGVMoLA7dIQrgXnRXtyT61sg8PG4wcfOnuWf8577aXP1x 6mzw3/jh3F+oSBHb/GcLC7mvWreJifUL2gEdssGfXhGWBo6zLS3qhgtwjay0Jl+kza1lo+Cv BB2T79D4WGdDuVa4eOrQ02TxqGN7G0Biz5ZLRSFzQSQwLn8fbwARAQABzSNWbGFzdGltaWwg QmFia2EgPHZiYWJrYUBrZXJuZWwub3JnPsLBsAQTAQoAWhYhBKlA1DSZLC6OmRA9UCJPp+fM gqZkBQJqFFy6GxSAAAAAAAQADm1hbnUyLDIuNSsxLjEyLDIsMgIbAwUJGtCBUAULCQgHAwUV CgkICwUWAgMBAAIeBQIXgAAKCRAiT6fnzIKmZJIUEADFx/tREzUImHrEwVHeSvDFmA7tJysI UVrlvrM09E7GIuzphzv7jYmo8n3ANpCczLEVr4G0syYQdTigaZgv3+FQDIIzhKih1IHhu1Ei XHlywNWKnQxxQEUNi5Mwx43wQz5XVw9F1A7gtKBKNtfogO511hAbrzagrYajyQacEJ/+sfhZ 9Da8ltHIXD8pcYaHUfQgEusCgmEd9+KrUwrTbckFKmYq5chuE6yJ4J0EmWknL096jIE6CnzF FRslQ3B1UKDjxVsm1ZHfir5NeWszLkTvGFsddFaWTgh8UycESG6VQzKXjjewXu2pG7YQYRpj QKm1W5X2TkwWkXRBZTmfmbhxIUMh3+zf5wQ463rSmDN/8v81tdqBtAW6rH/kzg1GvkaTHXn0 507yEHFzBksk2viAuIxxr7km8+/KARYLIdGtx30EG8cKzAUZOK6WqxtNCsXUJNrVE8CWrCaD icoNu7Fs1c5hmPHdSTnU48ce67449DdnO4neLSNhRiGlMHJgfJUmgrxu/hcYeOZ3haWmEQ2w uW1Mh01OHi8QZHCEyAbABrPs9GUgccc/4eYXX9hIgxfSkYzn8f+8NuIFPWl/0uTvjgqU29FQ SbzOLxHq9439Ox40G5mS5eZXRGxITYR+6TXvRGI6P/264jvflnr/pDGUttaikU+0W+1uxgKH cmYbEc7ATQRbGTU1AQgAn0H6UrFiWcovkh6EXVcl+SeqyO6JHOPm+e9Wu0Vw+VIUvXZVUVVQ La1PQDUi6j00ChlcR66g9/V0sPIcSutacPKfdKYOBvzd4rlhL8rfrdEsQw5ApZxrA8kYZVMh FmBRKAa6wos25moTlMKpCWzTH84+WO5+ziCTsTUZASAToz3RdunTD+vQcHj0GqNTPAHK63sf bAB2I0BslZkXkY1RLb/YhuA6E7JyEd2pilZOrIuBGl/5q2qSakgnAVFWFBR/DO27JuAksYnq +aH8vI0xGvwn75KqSk4UzAkDzWSmO4ZHuahKtQgZNsMYV+PGayRBX9b9zbldzopoLBdqHc4n jQARAQABwsF8BBgBCgAmAhsMFiEEqUDUNJksLo6ZED1QIk+n58yCpmQFAmfIHFQFCRYU6J8A CgkQIk+n58yCpmS2PA//bqN1LfcotmArgElsa+0EGZSQlYgK48pm8WAeTXTngudP9IJ4SuKY HR5RNjHcBeqN+Me0zxRqYzRb8nGanHEkDyf4Im8DQM8d6vbyU+FcPmG4skud4kgS1zMHnlVd SXfSIwKC/hKgdHG8aBV7545Lz9X6Iohea+94wneD0aw/hqF+QWewGZhWJriWAZtvEkzNjQOi 4U9F/trLten/x7bpphDSnDMKJtITbtzATT1Dq7o7VpIUK1nCTQALMuMjKCdi8OdU/+V+R3O4 0PXWvX8qrvqYapVbZ+9KqT74FsuB0Ya9uXwgBF2Q6cRuETZk5vqaqKxzqoQZCO8AOz/58j6O 2RHNy/mZEN+7tJ5Tsq42zVJ4jxsT8b9YplavCMsnBgDeRWhcbYhCyttoL7nYISyWg4kQYZ/P wIV3OuNv2f8iKYsxNsRuClOAF82+gvqOy1/1pprFjy8uo2pkoOrb63aOP3vO5VHnRKgra6dq NcaZ+c6J4H+nEJGi2SkHAUJz5oBzuThvPudLvPA/SK8sKoM01IRxSihev/S/5WLazXB1PGem OCbvzC1IjWJJraxiDJ5IygokapUa2RP7+WBR22skQ3SSl6G107QgWKSyTOGWEaRmV53vxQLV jXuCmzSSasTL60zq5yGrT4/DYQVSNEUiUbG4pYekxJujNeEDkUlky0Y= In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/1/26 23:11, Johannes Weiner wrote: > On Wed, Jul 01, 2026 at 08:14:05PM +0200, Vlastimil Babka (SUSE) wrote: >> >> > This made the migratetype filtering about preventing block >> > pollution. The patch quotes reduced extfrag numbers. >> > >> > So now we have a block pollution guard that we apply only if... the >> > scanner is latency sensitive? :) Is this actually desired behavior? >> >> Yeah indeed I was wondering in this direction. >> >> > Another way of looking at it would be this: >> > >> > /* >> > * Allocation fallbacks can spread migratable pages >> > * into non-movable blocks. >> >> But also vice versa, non-movable pages into movable blocks? (without >> defrag_mode?). > > Uhm but those aren't compactable anymore then, right? Yeah. > There is a flipside, but it isn't quite symmetrical. Movable requests > are allowed to look for movables in unmovable blocks once they become > sync (high-effort, low-result). Non-movable requests are finally > allowed to empty movable blocks once they become sync; they *start* > with the high-effort, low-result mode to avoid block contamination but > are allowed to escalate when that doesn't produce results. Hm, true! I was also thinking, if defrag mode doesn't allow that escalation ever (IIRC?), should it be reflected here as well even with sync compaction? > I'll try to work that second part into the comment as well. Thanks!