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From: Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>
To: Usama Arif <usama.arif@linux.dev>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	kernel-team@meta.com, David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes	 <ljs@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka	 <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan	 <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v3 4/6] mm/gup: add get_user_page_vma() to fault in a page under a held lock
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2026 11:24:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <61d21f204aedae44b2b5cbe2e7ffb1d72fedc5c6.camel@surriel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260720123505.1234897-1-usama.arif@linux.dev>

On Mon, 2026-07-20 at 05:35 -0700, Usama Arif wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2026 13:00:34 -0400 Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > +	/*
> > +	 * Validate the VMA up front, like __get_user_pages(). A
> > VM_IO/VM_PFNMAP
> > +	 * VMA is not rejected outright: it can hold COWed pages
> > that have a
> > +	 * struct page, so let follow_page_mask() look for one,
> > and treat only
> > +	 * its struct-page-less PFNs as unreachable. Any other
> > rejection
> > +	 * (secretmem, bad permissions, ...) is final.
> > +	 */
> > +	ret = check_vma_flags(vma, gup_flags);
> > +	if (ret && !(vma->vm_flags & (VM_IO | VM_PFNMAP)))
> 
> Do you need to somehow restructure check_vma_flags()?
> 
> The first thing that check_vma_flags() does is:
> 
> 	if (vm_flags & (VM_IO | VM_PFNMAP))
> 		return -EFAULT;
> 
> check_vma_flags() returns before evaluating VM_READ,
> FOLL_FORCE, FOLL_ANON or the architecture permission check.
> 
> The code then ignores that early error and may return a COWed
> page through follow_page_mask(). A non-FOLL_FORCE caller
> can therefore read a COWed page from a PROT_NONE PFNMAP VMA.

In this code path, if we return an error to
__access_remote_vm(), we end up falling back
to the ->access() hook, and will end up reading
the memory that's "under" that COW, instead of
the COWed page that is currently in the process
we are accessing.

In other words, I think the behavior of this
code is the way we want, even though the
implementation should be cleaned up.

How about we change check_vma_flags() so it
ignores specified flags?

check_vma_flags(vma, gup_flags, ignore_flags)

Then this one call to check_vma_flags can have
it ignore VM_IO | VM_PFNMAP, since we want to
access the COWed pages in those VMAs in this
code path, but fall back to ->access when
there are no COW pages.

> 
> > +		goto fail;
> > +	pfnmap = ret;
> > +
> > +	for (;;) {
> > +		if (fatal_signal_pending(current)) {
> > +			ret = -EINTR;
> > +			goto fail;
> > +		}
> > +		cond_resched();
> > +
> > +		page = follow_page_mask(vma, addr,
> > +					gup_flags | FOLL_TOUCH |
> > FOLL_GET,
> > +					&page_mask);
> > +		if (!IS_ERR_OR_NULL(page))
> > +			return page;
> 
> __get_user_pages() does
> 
> 	flush_anon_page(vma, subpage, start + j * PAGE_SIZE);
> 	flush_dcache_page(subpage);
> 
> before returning the page. Do you need to that here as well above?

I suppose on systems with virtually indexed caches
we do need that.

Thanks for spotting that!

Now I also wonder if I could restructure get_user_page_vma_remote()
to do the lookup before the get_user_pages_remote(), and have
it then use the new get_user_page_vma() function, to avoid
the double VMA lookup (why are we doing that, anyway?)
> 

-- 
All Rights Reversed.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-20 15:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-17 17:00 [PATCH v3 0/6] mm: access remote process memory under the per-VMA lock Rik van Riel
2026-07-17 17:00 ` [PATCH RFC v3 1/6] x86/mm: add untagged_addr_remote_unlocked() Rik van Riel
2026-07-20 11:12   ` Usama Arif
2026-07-17 17:00 ` [PATCH RFC v3 2/6] riscv/mm: " Rik van Riel
2026-07-20 11:57   ` Usama Arif
2026-07-20 15:08     ` Rik van Riel
2026-07-20 16:46       ` Usama Arif
2026-07-20 17:34         ` Rik van Riel
2026-07-20 18:46           ` Usama Arif
2026-07-20 19:21             ` Rik van Riel
2026-07-20 19:39               ` Usama Arif
2026-07-17 17:00 ` [PATCH RFC v3 3/6] mm: rename get_user_page_vma_remote() to get_user_page_lookup_vma() Rik van Riel
2026-07-20 12:00   ` Usama Arif
2026-07-17 17:00 ` [PATCH RFC v3 4/6] mm/gup: add get_user_page_vma() to fault in a page under a held lock Rik van Riel
2026-07-20 12:35   ` Usama Arif
2026-07-20 15:24     ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2026-07-17 17:00 ` [PATCH RFC v3 5/6] mm: use per-VMA lock in __access_remote_vm() for single-VMA accesses Rik van Riel
2026-07-17 17:00 ` [PATCH RFC v3 6/6] selftests/mm: cover /proc/pid/mem access to VM_PFNMAP memory Rik van Riel
2026-07-21 18:12 ` [PATCH v3 0/6] mm: access remote process memory under the per-VMA lock David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-22 17:33   ` Rik van Riel

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