From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753224Ab2HABUO (ORCPT ); Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:20:14 -0400 Received: from lennier.cc.vt.edu ([198.82.162.213]:35212 "EHLO lennier.cc.vt.edu" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751944Ab2HABUM (ORCPT ); Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:20:12 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.8.0 04/21/2012 with nmh-1.4-dev To: NeilBrown Cc: "C. Schmid" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Complaint - pid-owner Support Removed (CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_OWNER) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:41:21 +1000." <20120731124121.5fe10478@notabene.brown> From: valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu References: <5016DEE2.1060900@gmx.de> <20120731124121.5fe10478@notabene.brown> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1343784008_2037P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:20:09 -0400 Message-ID: <62567.1343784009@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> X-Mirapoint-Received-SPF: 209.85.213.52 mail-yw0-f52.google.com valdis@vt.edu 4 softfail X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=steiner.cc.vt.edu X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A020205.5018844B.00A6,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-07-25 19:15:43, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46, mode=single engine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --==_Exmh_1343784008_2037P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:41:21 +1000, NeilBrown said: > On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:22:10 +0200 "C. Schmid" wrote: > > i want to complain about the removal of the --pid-owner Support for iptables. > > As far as i understand it this support was just removed without replacement. > > Yes, 7 years ago. > "Unfixably broken" Even *before* it was removed, it declared itself "broken on SMP" (which is a good hint on exactly *why* it was unfixable), and why it's not applicable to most modern desktop systems anyhow - even an iPad is a dual-core. And to be honest, the "Linux only cares about big iron not the desktop" is a total red herring - if anything, many laptops *are* essentially a single-user environment, while big iron boxes are even *more* concerned about per-user issues. I just checked one of the compute clusters across the hall, 1100+ actual users defined. How often do desktops/laptops have that many real live users? --==_Exmh_1343784008_2037P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 iQIVAwUBUBiESAdmEQWDXROgAQIMyw/9GgjLziBYJNoadMGOvDkbeBtpTHZL+qQR 6ZhmsNtGVwH6A02eIF0JVMyfNxUuTVIRD5BH8LcUU+aYG5wbvieT3KjGrZSNdXMk 0FdzHanE8eazx+/9FTEQomn9GsGK3ehnuZRhyg3VUtupdyAPJ6RiKtGgXhGtQHr2 O4kBnS0/FAXNZOAHnzfL07f7q9NFCij4ofCG+WXdAtqs0nu3Zkogy5RafuwsR+kP YCNMLkwyuIorcAQZZXwekcDuzM89qCaVx/zbd9alohBRNEBOMJqD4C6B75lwcv81 QJUvyW5z16Kj6CEduvL/N4TPvyf61mMVlhZWwdpKs8xrKebEDAK1BltCWgByoxR7 cRTTdCFYO1vAQq00ZJ+CeiWDJwwQ+Tmu54FnyX+E8Fo6V7A9r7RLltB4ZbOdkFBm ocuwUEpsOApzFxtoCr0VnFfBpHsL8czYgkhgq9UsM4JX3rlMOskn4F5ONGqee0UY fXIk/OM1FkdgfxUMdC0uX3ANZffp0WS0FDa45qPq1UwnmwWIJUNUm98ILdX0vSVZ TvTqQTIH7p+ihR/9KUE1yEtp5qis1/fZO0lFNZ+ZTaK/nol4fdIQAejKEm7rHAjr pn7C/in7ZXKpKPUvIN8qU3pWPpFtwjZ9PcI5UuBQaZYyUjla5yovSpWRBoO00J5L AJCCt4Hypys= =OdBt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1343784008_2037P--