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From: Florian Bezdeka <florian.bezdeka@siemens.com>
To: Ran Hongyun <ranhongyun1@huawei.com>, namcao@linutronix.de
Cc: axboe@kernel.dk, bigeasy@linutronix.de, brauner@kernel.org,
	 clrkwllms@kernel.org, frederic@kernel.org, jack@suse.cz,
	jdamato@fastly.com, 	john.ogness@linutronix.de,
	kprateek.nayak@amd.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
		linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-rt-devel@lists.linux.dev,
		linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org, mkarsten@uwaterloo.ca,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, 	stable@vger.kernel.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	 vschneid@redhat.com, xry111@xry111.site,
	chengzhihao1@huawei.com,  yangerkun@huawei.com,
	yi.zhang@huawei.com, wozizhi@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [QUESTION] Are these issues PREEMPT_RT-specific?
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2026 10:52:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <63d5cd58e9b85acccdaaac9aed4a8c550cc7b868.camel@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260904081149.3000727-1-ranhongyun1@huawei.com>

On Fri, 2026-09-04 at 16:11 +0800, Ran Hongyun wrote:
> The commit eb0d280c2751 ("eventpoll: Replace rwlock with spinlock") aims to fix:
> 
> 1.Priority inversion – On PREEMPT_RT, rwlock_t readers lack priority
> inheritance (PI), so a low-priority reader holding the lock can be
> preempted by a medium-priority task, blocking a high-priority writer
> indefinitely.
> 
> 2.Stall – A reader (p_read) holding the lock can be throttled by CFS
> bandwidth control and scheduled out. A writer (p_write) blocks waiting
> for the lock, and a timer thread (ktimers/n) needed to replenish p_read's
> runtime is blocked due to writer-fairness (286deb7ec03d). This forms a
> circular dependency and stalls the system.
> 
> Are these issues PREEMPT_RT-specific? 

No, but it's way more critical on PREEMPT_RT. !RT systems will see a
"performance" or "throughput" drop but not a critical system stall.

> 
> Any clarification would be appreciated.

2. was addressed in 6.18 by deferring the throttling to the place where
a task exits to user mode. See [1] for further reference.

[1] was not backported to older (stable) kernels but the commit you
referenced at the top was, so the 2. problem is gone there was well.

HTH,
Florian


[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20250829081120.806-1-ziqianlu@bytedance.com/

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-04  8:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-15 12:46 [PATCH v4 0/1] eventpoll: Fix priority inversion problem Nam Cao
2025-07-15 12:46 ` [PATCH v4 1/1] eventpoll: Replace rwlock with spinlock Nam Cao
2025-07-15 12:58   ` Nam Cao
2025-07-15 16:42   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-07-16  7:41     ` Nam Cao
2025-07-16  8:34   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-08-26  8:43   ` Nam Cao
2025-09-03  8:40     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-09-05 13:52       ` Christian Brauner
2026-09-04  8:10   ` [QUESTION] Are these issues PREEMq:PT_RT-specific? Ran Hongyun
2026-09-04  8:11   ` [QUESTION] Are these issues PREEMPT_RT-specific? Ran Hongyun
2026-09-04  8:52     ` Florian Bezdeka [this message]
2026-09-09  3:05       ` Ran Hongyun
2026-09-09 12:49         ` Steven Rostedt
2026-09-04  9:00     ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-09-04 13:47     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-09-05 13:52 ` [PATCH v4 0/1] eventpoll: Fix priority inversion problem Christian Brauner

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