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From: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
To: Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
Cc: Mike Fedyk <mfedyk@matchmail.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Nick's scheduler policy v12
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:36:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6470000.1062819391@[10.10.2.4]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3F5935EB.4000005@cyberone.com.au>

> Yep, as Mike mentioned, renicing X causes it to get bigger
> timeslices with the stock scheduler. If you had 2 nice -20 processes,
> they would each get a timeslice of 200ms, so you're harming their
> latency.

Well, if I can be naive for a second (and I'll fully admit I don't
understand the implications of this), there are two things here - 
either give it more of a timeslice (bandwidth increase), or make it 
more interactive (latency increase). Those two seem to be separable,
but we don't bother. Seems better to pass a more subtle hint to the
scheduler that this is interactive - nice seems like a very large
brick between the eyes.

>> There may be some more details around this, and I'd love to hear them,
>> but I fundmantally believe that explitit fiddling with particular
>> processes because we believe they're somehow magic is wrong (and so
>> does Linus, from previous discussions).
> 
> Well it would be nice if someone could find out how to do it, but I
> think that if we want X to be able to get 80% CPU when 2 other CPU hogs
> are running, you have to renice it.

OK. So you renice it ... then your two cpu jobs exit, and you kick off
xmms. Every time you waggle a window, X will steal the cpu back from
xmms, and it'll stall, surely? That's what seemed to happen before.
I don't see how you can fix anything by doing static priority alterations
(eg nice), because the workload changes.

I'm probably missing something ... feel free to slap me ;-)

M.


  reply	other threads:[~2003-09-06  3:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-05 17:57 Nick Piggin
2003-09-05 18:54 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-05 20:22   ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-05 20:19     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-05 20:39       ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-05 21:08         ` Robert Love
2003-09-06  1:31           ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-06  1:18       ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-06  3:36         ` Martin J. Bligh [this message]
2003-09-06  6:20           ` Jörn Engel
2003-09-06  6:38           ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-06  6:55             ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-06 15:13             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-06 11:47               ` Ed Sweetman
2003-09-07  2:34                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-07  3:27                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-09-07  4:42                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-07  4:37               ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-06  7:49           ` Martin Schlemmer

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