From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
mingo@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
"Ahmed S . Darwish" <darwi@linutronix.de>,
John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/5] x86/cpuid: Standardize on u32 in <asm/cpuid/api.h>
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2025 19:44:13 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <674403fd-5c94-4cd3-aa6b-fc48879e641e@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <57505261-45EA-48B6-824E-49AF2203C094@zytor.com>
On 18/03/2025 7:25 pm, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On March 18, 2025 12:09:59 PM PDT, Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>> On 18/03/2025 6:48 pm, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>>> One more thing is that we ought to be able to make cpuid a const function, allowing the compiler to elide multiple calls. (Slight warning for feature-enabling MSRs changing CPUID), but that would require changing the API to returning a structure, since a pure or const structure can't return values by reference.
>> It's not only the feature-enabling MSRs. It's also OSXSAVE/OSPKE/etc in
>> CR4, and on Intel CPUs, the CPUID instruction still has a side effect
>> for microcode patch revision MSR.
>>
>> There are a few too many side effects to call it const/pure.
>>
>> That said, when experimenting with the same in Xen, there was nothing
>> interesting the compiler could do with const/pure because of how the
>> existing logic is laid out. Removing volatile and the memory clobber
>> however did allow the compiler to make slightly better code.
>>
>> ~Andrew
> Well, I guess I lump CRs, DRs and MSRs together. There is also CPUID for serialization, which is really a totally different use for the same instruction.
Andy Luto got rid of all CPUID serialisation ages back. It's about the
worst of the available options, even on native. It's IRET-to-self
(doesn't exit under any virt), or SERIALISE on bleeding edge CPUs.
> tglx has suggested that we should cache or even preload the cpuid data (the latter would have the potential advantage of making the memory data structures a little easier to manage, given the very large potential space.)
>
> The biggest issue is that there is no general mechanism for detecting which cpuid leaves have subleaves, and if they do, how many. I *believe* all existing subleaf sets are dense, but one could at least hypothetically see a vendor or VM define a CPUID leaf with a sparse subleaf set.
XSTATE is sparse in general; AVX-512 being the notable absence on
Intel's client line, and AMD has LWP at subleaf 62.
But yes, these are all problems trying to maintain an in-memory copy of
the CPUID state. Maintenance of this in Xen leaves a lot to be desired.
~Andrew
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-03-18 19:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-17 22:30 [PATCH 0/5] x86/cpu: Introduce <asm/cpuid/types.h> and <asm/cpuid/api.h> and clean them up mingo
2025-03-17 22:30 ` [PATCH 1/5] x86/cpuid: Refactor <asm/cpuid.h> mingo
2025-03-17 22:30 ` [PATCH 2/5] x86/cpuid: Clean up <asm/cpuid/types.h> mingo
2025-03-17 22:30 ` [PATCH 3/5] x86/cpuid: Clean up <asm/cpuid/api.h> mingo
2025-03-17 22:30 ` [PATCH 4/5] x86/cpuid: Standardize on u32 in <asm/cpuid/api.h> mingo
2025-03-18 18:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-03-18 19:08 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-03-18 19:09 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-03-18 19:25 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-03-18 19:44 ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2025-03-19 8:16 ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2025-03-17 22:30 ` [PATCH 5/5] x86/cpuid: Use u32 in instead of uint32_t " mingo
2025-03-17 22:49 ` [PATCH 0/5] x86/cpu: Introduce <asm/cpuid/types.h> and <asm/cpuid/api.h> and clean them up Linus Torvalds
2025-03-17 23:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-18 11:39 ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2025-03-18 11:55 ` Ingo Molnar
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-03-17 22:18 Ingo Molnar
2025-03-17 22:18 ` [PATCH 4/5] x86/cpuid: Standardize on u32 in <asm/cpuid/api.h> Ingo Molnar
2025-03-18 5:59 ` Xin Li
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