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malwarescore=0 classifier=typeunknown authscore=0 authtc= authcc= route=outbound adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.22.0-2605210000 definitions=main-2606030131 On Wed, 2026-06-03 at 08:35 -0400, Omar Elghoul wrote: > On 6/2/26 6:24 PM, Alex Williamson wrote: >=20 > > On Tue, 19 May 2026 18:42:03 -0400 > > Omar Elghoul wrote: > > >=20 --- snip --- > >=20 > > Since this is already provided via debugfs, why not make this a > > userspace problem to interact with the existing interface? > > It might be possible but it would undoubtedly be really ugly and harder t= o > maintain. I think what we'd dislike most about using debugfs is parsing > text data into the FMB structure. If any of the text representations of t= he > fields were to change, we would need to update them anywhere that uses th= em > (e.g., in QEMU or any other user driver). The ABI would be super fragile. I agree with Omar. The documentation for debugfs ([0] first paragraph) even says that the files are not supposed to be treated as stable so I'd really like to avoid treating the statistics as stable ourselves. Thanks, Niklas [0] https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/debugfs.txt