From: Vidith Madhu <vmadhu@nvidia.com>
To: Nicolas Frattaroli <nicolas.frattaroli@collabora.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 13/25] drm: Add VRR target frame rate properties
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2026 02:01:05 -0500 (CDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <6fb8aaed-5abc-db9c-b09b-3390d8b87686@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YozwdeJLQh-0GBcK9P3QvQ@collabora.com>
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On Wed, 23 Sep 2026, Nicolas Frattaroli wrote:
> On Wednesday, 23 September 2026 11:51:45 Central European Summer Time Michel Dänzer wrote:
> > On 9/21/26 17:51, Nicolas Frattaroli wrote:
> > >
> > > + * .. _VRR-MIN-NUMERATOR:
> > > + *
> > > + * "VRR_MIN_NUMERATOR":
> > > + * Default &drm_crtc integer property forming the numerator of a
> > > + * numerator/denominator pair of a frame rate to set as the minimum VRR
> > > + * target rate. Set to 0 to disable.
> > > + *
> > > + * "VRR_MIN_DENOMINATOR":
> > > + * Default &drm_crtc integer property forming the denominator of a
> > > + * numerator/denominator pair of a frame rate to set as the minimum VRR
> > > + * target rate. If :ref:`VRR_MIN_NUMERATOR <VRR-MIN-NUMERATOR>` is not
> > > + * zero, it must be non-zero.
> > > + * Otherwise, must also be zero.
> > > + *
> > > + * .. _VRR-MAX-NUMERATOR:
> > > + *
> > > + * "VRR_MAX_NUMERATOR":
> > > + * Default &drm_crtc integer property forming the numerator of a
> > > + * numerator/denominator pair of a frame rate to set as the maximum VRR
> > > + * target rate. Set to 0 to disable.
> > > + *
> > > + * "VRR_MAX_DENOMINATOR":
> > > + * Default &drm_crtc integer property forming the denominator of a
> > > + * numerator/denominator pair of a frame rate to set as the maximum VRR
> > > + * target rate. If :ref:`VRR_MAX_NUMERATOR <VRR-MAX-NUMERATOR>` is not
> > > + * zero, it must be non-zero. Otherwise, must also be zero.
> > > */
> >
> > Is there a reason that DENOMINATOR must be 0 when the corresponding NUMERATOR is? 0 divided by any number is still 0.
>
> No, I think that's an arbitrary convention I settled on and don't enforce. I
> guess it should be "Otherwise, may also be zero", because the only situation
> I'm making userspace avoid is x/0 where x != 0.
>
> > > Either way, should these rules be enforced in drm_atomic_crtc_set_property?
> >
> > Or rather in atomic_check.
>
> Due to complicating factors like EDID, CinemaVRR, and QMS TFRmin/TFRmax, checking
> the properties for sensible values is done in the HDMI state helpers at the moment.
>
> If/when there is a similar mechanism for DP, we can probably factor the common
> parts out. I really do hope all drivers (including those that don't use the HDMI
> state helpers) can at least share the hdmi_validate_vrr() logic, but I haven't
> factored this out into an exported function yet because I don't know how similar
> the DisplayPort-equivalent mechanisms requirements are, or how much of the state
> derivation non-state-helper drivers (i.e. i915 and amdgpu) need.
>
> Kind regards,
> Nicolas Frattaroli
Thanks for bringing up support for VRR features on DP. Concerning the
frame rate limits themselves, as I mentioned in patch [02/25] I don't
think there's a reason to limit the validation to HDMI. There is in fact
an analog of QMS for DP, called DP-FAVT mode - this is quite a bit more
streamlined than QMS and the validation should be simpler. Would be nice
to see these properties support that as well (this was briefly discussed
at DisplayNext HackFest, if I understood access to the DP spec is the
main blocker here?).
>
>
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-24 7:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-21 15:51 [PATCH RFC 00/25] VRR Target Rate Limiter KMS uAPI and Implementation Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 01/25] drm/edid: Add a query for vrr range Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 02/25] drm: Add VRR state Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-24 6:55 ` Vidith Madhu
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 03/25] drm/atomic-helper: Set mode_changed on vrr_enabled change Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 21:59 ` Leo Li
2026-09-22 12:53 ` Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-22 13:22 ` Maxime Ripard
2026-09-24 6:45 ` Vidith Madhu
2026-09-21 22:01 ` Leo Li
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 04/25] video/hdmi: Add VTEM EMP packing Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 05/25] drm/bridge: Add VTEM EMP support Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 06/25] drm/connector: hdmi: Add VTEM EMP generation Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 07/25] drm/crtc-helper: Add VRR helper functions Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 08/25] drm/bridge: synopsys: Add VTEM EMP support Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 09/25] drm/connector: Add drm_display_info_is_vrr_capable Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 10/25] drm/rockchip: dw_hdmi_qp: Add VRR support Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 11/25] drm/rockchip: vop2: Enable VRR Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 12/25] drm/edid: Parse CinemaVRR flag from HDMI SCDS Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 13/25] drm: Add VRR target frame rate properties Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 22:23 ` Leo Li
2026-09-22 15:26 ` Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-23 9:51 ` Michel Dänzer
2026-09-23 9:54 ` Michel Dänzer
2026-09-23 14:39 ` Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-24 7:01 ` Vidith Madhu [this message]
2026-09-24 12:10 ` Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 14/25] drm: Implement VRR rate limiting Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 15/25] drm/edid: Parse QMS flag from HDMI SCDS Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 16/25] drm/edid: Parse QMS TFR min/max flags " Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 17/25] drm/connector: Add "qms_enabled" drm property Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 18/25] video/hdmi: Add support for QMS in VTEM EMP packing Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 19/25] drm/connector: hdmi: Add QMS to VTEM EMP generation Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 20/25] drm/connector: hdmi: Add QMS state validation and computation Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 21/25] drm/rockchip: dw_hdmi_qp: Add QMS support Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 22/25] drm/tests: hdmi: Add "Game Mode" VRR tests Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 23/25] drm/tests: hdmi: Add Fixed/Constrained rate " Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 24/25] drm/tests: hdmi: Add Quick Media Switching tests Nicolas Frattaroli
2026-09-21 15:51 ` [PATCH RFC 25/25] drm/atomic: Disable VRR in helper_set_config Nicolas Frattaroli
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