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From: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
To: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>
Cc: dhowells@redhat.com, Andrew Halaney <andrew@amutable.com>,
	Alasdair Kergon <agk@redhat.com>,
	Mike Snitzer <snitzer@kernel.org>,
	Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
	Benjamin Marzinski <bmarzins@redhat.com>,
	Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>,
	"Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	dm-devel@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	keyrings@vger.kernel.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, fsverity@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	"Christian Brauner (Amutable)" <brauner@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] keys: add KEY_SPEC_DM_VERITY_KEYRING
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2026 09:05:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <715249.1789718726@warthog.procyon.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aqyiCavj3xeNqyAo@kernel.org>

Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org> wrote:

> This is great for discussion but what we want for the commit message
> is just motivation and resolution.

Actually, I think it's useful that Andrew wrote up the issues in the commit
message - and I think it shows part of the motivation.  The 'writing a fake
/proc/keys line in the description' is something I hadn't considered.

> I don't think we need all this just to say that /proc/keys in a racy
> query mechanism for production, which is an issue for dm-verity, given
> that nothing else is available.

I think at some point, we will need a system call to search all for all
accessible keys matching certain criteria by actually walking the key
database.  The problem there is that there may be multiple hits, so we may
need something like:

	int count = find_key(key_serial_t start_id,
			     const char *type, const char *desc_prefix,
			     key_serial_t *results, size_t results_size,
			     unsigned int flags);

Allowing you to do:

	key_serial_t dm_key;
	int n = find_key(0, "keyring", ".dm_verity", &dm_key, 1,
			 FIND_KEY_EXACT_DESC);

This wouldn't be as fast as a direct lookup since it would have to walk the
key tree, doing name comparisons and perm checks on each key of the type.

> And secondly special keys are meant for implicit keyrings so isn't
> that all there's to it?

I have no particular objection to setting aside a block of negative key IDs
for special keyrings that need to be accessed a lot - though I would make
common reg/unreg functions that take the ID to be registered and, say, set the
block at -257..-512.  Moving the BFP keyring to -257 and DM to -258.

David


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-09-18  8:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-14 16:41 [PATCH 0/3] keys: Add well known IDs for fs-verity/dm-verity keys Andrew Halaney
2026-09-14 16:41 ` [PATCH 1/3] keys: add KEY_SPEC_DM_VERITY_KEYRING Andrew Halaney
2026-09-18  2:29   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-09-18  8:05   ` David Howells [this message]
2026-09-18 19:59     ` Andrew Halaney
2026-09-14 16:41 ` [PATCH 2/3] keys: add KEY_SPEC_FS_VERITY_KEYRING Andrew Halaney
2026-09-14 16:41 ` [PATCH 3/3] Documentation: keys: document IDs added since KEY_SPEC_REQKEY_AUTH_KEY Andrew Halaney
2026-09-15 12:39 ` [PATCH 0/3] keys: Add well known IDs for fs-verity/dm-verity keys Christian Brauner

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