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From: Theodore Tso <tytso@MIT.EDU>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@halobates.de>
Cc: Zan Lynx <zlynx@acm.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Taras Glek <tglek@mozilla.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Downsides to madvise/fadvise(willneed) for application startup
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:23:09 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <736D6FBC-DA18-49FD-BBE5-0BA848189932@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87vdbr8vzv.fsf@basil.nowhere.org>

On Apr 16, 2010, at 7:41 AM, Andi Kleen wrote:

> Zan Lynx <zlynx@acm.org> writes:
> 
>> On 4/15/10 4:53 PM, Andrew Morton wrote:
>> 
>>> This just isn't an interesting case.  World-wide, the number of people
>>> who compile their own web browser and execute it from the file which ld
>>> produced is, umm, seven.
>> 
>> Gentoo users? Linux From Scratch?
> 
> "make install" tends to copy. I am not aware of any Makefiles
> that link directly to /usr/bin, and usually that wouldn't work
> anyways because of permissions. copy fixes the problem.

... and those people who are executing the binary out of the build directory are probably running the regression  test (i.e., "make; make check") and on most developer machines, if they're lucky they have enough memory that the executable will still be in their page cache.   :-)

This being said, on modern file systems (i.e., btrfs, ext4, xfs, et. al), delayed allocation should mostly hide this problem; and if not, and the linker can estimate in advance how big the resulting binary will be, it could be modified to use the fallocate(2) system call.

-- Ted



  reply	other threads:[~2010-04-16 12:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-05 22:43 Taras Glek
2010-04-05 23:17 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-05 23:52 ` Roland Dreier
2010-04-06 22:09   ` Taras Glek
2010-04-06  9:51 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-04-06 21:57   ` Taras Glek
2010-04-06 22:26     ` Johannes Weiner
2010-04-06 22:39       ` Taras Glek
2010-04-07  2:24   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-07  2:54     ` Taras Glek
2010-04-07  4:06       ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-07  7:14         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-07  7:33           ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-07  7:47             ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-07  8:06               ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-07  8:13                 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-07  7:38       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-08 17:44         ` Taras Glek
2010-04-12  2:27           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-12  3:25             ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-12  4:58               ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-12  4:43             ` drepper
2010-04-12  4:46               ` Taras Glek
2010-04-12  4:50               ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-12  8:50 ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-15 22:53 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-15 23:21   ` Zan Lynx
2010-04-15 20:42     ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-16 11:41     ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-16 12:23       ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2010-04-16 12:23       ` Theodore Tso
2010-04-16  0:41   ` Taras Glek
2010-04-15 22:21     ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-16  2:37       ` Taras Glek
2010-04-16 11:40   ` Andi Kleen

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