From: Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
To: Tony Krowiak <akrowiak@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
kvm@vger.kernel.org
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Tony Krowiak <akrowiak@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 21/21] s390: doc: detailed specifications for AP virtualization
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 01:10:34 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <753c5e17-c241-580d-6e3a-a3c3159d44a8@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1530306683-7270-22-git-send-email-akrowiak@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
On 06/29/2018 11:11 PM, Tony Krowiak wrote:
> This patch provides documentation describing the AP architecture and
> design concepts behind the virtualization of AP devices. It also
> includes an example of how to configure AP devices for exclusive
> use of KVM guests.
>
> Signed-off-by: Tony Krowiak <akrowiak@linux.ibm.com>
I don't like the design of external interfaces except for:
* cpu model features, and
* reset handling.
In particular:
1) The architecture is such that authorizing access (via APM, AQM and ADM)
to an AP queue that is currently not configured (e.g. the card not physically
plugged, or just configured off). That seems to be a perfectly normal use
case.
Your assign operations however enforce that the resource is bound to your
driver, and thus the existence of the resource in the host.
It is clear: we need to avoid passing trough resources to guests that are not
dedicated for this purpose (e.g. a queue utilized by zcrypt). But IMHO
we need a different mechanism.
2) I see no benefit in deferring the exclusivity check to vfio_ap_mdev_open().
The downside is however pretty obvious: management software is notified about
a 'bad configuration' only at an attempted guest start-up. And your current QEMU
patches are not very helpful in conveying this piece of information.
I've talked with Boris, and AFAIR he said this is not acceptable to him (@Boris
can you confirm).
3) We indicate the reason for failure due to a configuration problem (exclusivity
or resource allocation) via pr_err() that is via kernel messages. I don't think
this is very tooling/management software friendly, and I hope we don't expect admins
to work with the sysfs interface long term. I mean the effects of the admin actions
are not very persistent. Thus if the interface is a painful one, we are talking
about potentially frequent pain.
4) If I were to act out the role of the administrator, I would prefer to think of
specifying or changing the access controls of a guest in respect to AP (that is
setting the AP matrix) as a single atomic operation -- which either succeeds or fails.
The operation should succeed for any valid configuration, and fail for any invalid
on.
The current piecemeal approach seems even less fitting if we consider changing the
access controls of a running guest. AFAIK changing access controls for a running
guest is possible, and I don't see a reason why should we artificially prohibit this.
I think the current sysfs interface for manipulating the matrix is good for
manual playing around, but I would prefer having an interface that is better
suited for programs (e.g. ioctl).
Regards,
Halil
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-07-02 23:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-06-29 21:11 [PATCH v6 00/21] s390: vfio-ap: guest dedicated crypto adapters Tony Krowiak
2018-06-29 21:11 ` [PATCH v6 01/21] s390/zcrypt: Add ZAPQ inline function Tony Krowiak
2018-06-29 21:11 ` [PATCH v6 02/21] s390/zcrypt: Review inline assembler constraints Tony Krowiak
2018-06-29 21:11 ` [PATCH v6 03/21] s390/zcrypt: Show load of cards and queues in sysfs Tony Krowiak
2018-06-29 21:11 ` [PATCH v6 04/21] s390/zcrypt: Integrate ap_asm.h into include/asm/ap.h Tony Krowiak
2018-06-29 21:11 ` [PATCH v6 05/21] KVM: s390: CPU model support for AP virtualization Tony Krowiak
2018-07-02 14:38 ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-02 15:37 ` Tony Krowiak
2018-07-02 15:41 ` Cornelia Huck
2018-07-02 15:54 ` Tony Krowiak
2018-07-02 16:11 ` Cornelia Huck
2018-07-02 16:20 ` Halil Pasic
2018-07-02 16:28 ` Cornelia Huck
2018-07-03 14:44 ` Tony Krowiak
2018-07-02 16:04 ` Halil Pasic
2018-07-02 15:56 ` Tony Krowiak
2018-06-29 21:11 ` [PATCH v6 06/21] KVM: s390: refactor crypto initialization Tony Krowiak
2018-06-29 21:11 ` [PATCH v6 07/21] s390: vfio-ap: base implementation of VFIO AP device driver Tony Krowiak
2018-07-02 13:53 ` Halil Pasic
2018-07-02 15:39 ` Tony Krowiak
2018-06-29 21:11 ` [PATCH v6 08/21] s390: vfio-ap: register matrix device with VFIO mdev framework Tony Krowiak
2018-07-09 14:17 ` Pierre Morel
2018-07-10 7:03 ` Harald Freudenberger
2018-07-12 7:32 ` Tony Krowiak
2018-07-09 15:44 ` Pierre Morel
2018-06-29 21:11 ` [PATCH v6 09/21] s390: vfio-ap: structure for storing mdev matrix Tony Krowiak
2018-07-06 14:26 ` Halil Pasic
2018-07-12 14:34 ` Tony Krowiak
2018-06-29 21:11 ` [PATCH v6 10/21] s390: vfio-ap: sysfs interfaces to configure adapters Tony Krowiak
2018-07-09 12:11 ` Pierre Morel
2018-07-13 12:20 ` Tony Krowiak
2018-06-29 21:11 ` [PATCH v6 11/21] s390: vfio-ap: sysfs interfaces to configure domains Tony Krowiak
2018-07-09 12:13 ` Pierre Morel
2018-06-29 21:11 ` [PATCH v6 12/21] s390: vfio-ap: sysfs interfaces to configure control domains Tony Krowiak
2018-06-29 21:11 ` [PATCH v6 13/21] s390: vfio-ap: sysfs interface to view matrix mdev matrix Tony Krowiak
2018-07-09 12:20 ` Pierre Morel
2018-07-09 14:38 ` Pierre Morel
2018-07-13 12:24 ` Tony Krowiak
2018-07-13 16:38 ` Halil Pasic
2018-06-29 21:11 ` [PATCH v6 14/21] s390: vfio-ap: implement mediated device open callback Tony Krowiak
2018-07-12 12:47 ` Halil Pasic
2018-07-12 16:03 ` Tony Krowiak
2018-07-13 10:48 ` Halil Pasic
2018-06-29 21:11 ` [PATCH v6 15/21] s390: vfio-ap: configure the guest's AP matrix Tony Krowiak
2018-07-11 23:22 ` Halil Pasic
2018-07-12 14:36 ` Tony Krowiak
2018-07-12 13:28 ` Halil Pasic
2018-07-12 14:37 ` Tony Krowiak
2018-06-29 21:11 ` [PATCH v6 16/21] s390: vfio-ap: sysfs interface to view guest matrix Tony Krowiak
2018-06-29 21:11 ` [PATCH v6 17/21] s390: vfio-ap: implement VFIO_DEVICE_GET_INFO ioctl Tony Krowiak
2018-06-29 21:11 ` [PATCH v6 18/21] s390: vfio-ap: zeroize the AP queues Tony Krowiak
2018-06-29 21:11 ` [PATCH v6 19/21] s390: vfio-ap: implement VFIO_DEVICE_RESET ioctl Tony Krowiak
2018-06-29 21:11 ` [PATCH v6 20/21] KVM: s390: Handling of Cypto control block in VSIE Tony Krowiak
2018-06-29 21:11 ` [PATCH v6 21/21] s390: doc: detailed specifications for AP virtualization Tony Krowiak
2018-07-02 16:28 ` Halil Pasic
2018-07-03 7:46 ` Harald Freudenberger
2018-07-03 9:22 ` Halil Pasic
2018-07-03 11:52 ` Cornelia Huck
2018-07-03 12:20 ` Halil Pasic
2018-07-03 13:25 ` Cornelia Huck
2018-07-03 13:58 ` Halil Pasic
2018-07-03 14:30 ` Cornelia Huck
2018-07-03 15:25 ` Tony Krowiak
2018-07-03 16:14 ` Halil Pasic
2018-07-03 15:20 ` Tony Krowiak
2018-07-03 15:17 ` Tony Krowiak
2018-07-03 15:00 ` Tony Krowiak
2018-07-03 14:56 ` Tony Krowiak
2018-07-04 8:31 ` Harald Freudenberger
2018-07-02 23:10 ` Halil Pasic [this message]
2018-07-03 16:36 ` Tony Krowiak
2018-07-04 16:31 ` Boris Fiuczynski
2018-07-05 13:29 ` Tony Krowiak
2018-07-09 9:21 ` Pierre Morel
2018-07-09 15:50 ` Halil Pasic
2018-07-10 8:49 ` Pierre Morel
2018-07-12 7:26 ` Tony Krowiak
2018-07-03 8:10 ` Harald Freudenberger
2018-07-09 9:02 ` Pierre Morel
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