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From: Samuel Holland <samuel.holland@sifive.com>
To: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Alexandre Ghiti <alex@ghiti.fr>,
	David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>,
	Alexandre Ghiti <alexghiti@rivosinc.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	"linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Charlie Jenkins <charlie@rivosinc.com>,
	guoren <guoren@kernel.org>, Jisheng Zhang <jszhang@kernel.org>,
	Kemeng Shi <shikemeng@huaweicloud.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	Xiao W Wang <xiao.w.wang@intel.com>,
	Yangyu Chen <cyy@cyyself.name>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] riscv: Define TASK_SIZE_MAX for __access_ok()
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 14:20:46 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <757b0f1c-b8ff-4a1a-8edc-8dc651a348fb@sifive.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZgHCpgHh1ypSyrtv@FVFF77S0Q05N>

On 2024-03-25 1:30 PM, Mark Rutland wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 07:02:13PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2024, at 17:39, Mark Rutland wrote:
>>
>>> Using a compile-time constant TASK_SIZE_MAX allows the compiler to generate
>>> much better code for access_ok(), and on arm64 we use a compile-time constant
>>> even when our page table depth can change at runtime (and when native/compat
>>> task sizes differ). The only abosolute boundary that needs to be maintained is
>>> that access_ok() fails for kernel addresses.
>>
>> As I understand, this works on arm64 and x86 because the kernel
>> mapping starts on negative 64-bit addresses, so the highest user
>> address (TASK_SIZE = 0x000fffffffffffff) is still smaller than the
>> lowest kernel address (PAGE_OFFSET = 0xfff0000000000000).
> 
> Yep; the highest posible user address is always below the lowest possible
> kernel address, and any "non-canonical" address between the two ranges faults.
> There's some fun with TBI (Top Byte Ignore) and MTE, but that only affects how
> to mangle the pointer before the check, and doesn't affect the definition of
> the VA boundary.
> 
> In general, so long as TASK_SIZE_MAX is <= the lowest possible kernel address
> and TASK_SIZE_MAX > the highest possible user address, it all works out.
> 
>> If an architecture ignores all the top bits of a virtual address,
>> the largest TASK_SIZE would be higher than the smallest (positive,
>> unsigned) PAGE_OFFSET, so you need TASK_SIZE_MAX to be dynamic.
> 
> Agreed, but do we even support such architectures within Linux?
> 
>> It doesn't look like this is the case on riscv, but I'm not sure
>> about this part.
> 
> It looks like riscv is in the same bucket as arm64 and x86 per:
> 
>   https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/next/riscv/vm-layout.html
> 
> ... which says:
> 
> | The RISC-V privileged architecture document states that the 64bit addresses
> | "must have bits 63-48 all equal to bit 47, or else a page-fault exception
> | will occur.": that splits the virtual address space into 2 halves separated
> | by a very big hole, the lower half is where the userspace resides, the upper
> | half is where the RISC-V Linux Kernel resides.

Right, and while RISC-V has a pointer masking extension[1] similar to arm64's
TBI, it will be handled[2] the same way: by sign extending the address prior to
checking against TASK_SIZE_MAX. So we maintain the property that userspace
addresses are always "positive" and kernel addresses are always "negative".

Regards,
Samuel

[1]: https://github.com/riscv/riscv-j-extension/raw/a1e68469c60/zjpm-spec.pdf
[2]:
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-riscv/20240319215915.832127-1-samuel.holland@sifive.com/

  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-25 19:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-13 17:59 Samuel Holland
2024-03-18 20:50 ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-03-18 21:29   ` Samuel Holland
2024-03-19 16:51     ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-03-24 19:42       ` David Laight
2024-03-25  7:30         ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-03-25  9:30           ` David Laight
2024-03-25 16:39           ` Mark Rutland
2024-03-25 18:02             ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-03-25 18:30               ` Mark Rutland
2024-03-25 19:20                 ` Samuel Holland [this message]
2024-03-25 20:38                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-03-26 10:19                   ` David Laight
2024-03-26 14:49                     ` Mark Rutland
2024-03-25 20:12             ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-03-24 22:05       ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-03-25  7:25         ` Alexandre Ghiti
2024-03-25 11:15           ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-03-25 20:40 ` Arnd Bergmann

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